re: Is one major cause of wealth disparity a poor rate of return on social security?

We all live in society and thus must contribute to society. Taxes are not theft. Excessive Corp profits are theft. (I know how do you define this).

War profiteering is theft.

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The poor are poor ... b.c they ... have no skills

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Obviously that includes lack of investment capacity.

So if the government is taking money from working-class individuals, or from underpaid wives with Masters Degrees, and then finally giving it back at some point based on an atrocious calculated ROI, that is a preferred m.o.?

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No eliminating the cap on taxes makes the whole system for equitable for all Americans.

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You must have one fricked up definition of "equitable".

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eliminating the cap on taxes makes the whole system for equitable for all Americans.

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No. Equitable is paying for what you use. Soaking off your wealthier neighbor is mooching.

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Wrong. If you and I pay a tax to build a bridge that we both can drive over it is not theft.

If the govt taxes me 100 bucks so that you can buy food because you're too damn lazy then it is theft.

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This. I have no problem with taxes that go toward public goods. Taxes used for personal expenses... are nothing more that state-sanctioned theft.

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We all live in society and thus must contribute to society.

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I agree. Why do the poor get away with paying less?

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Excessive Corp profits are theft.

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how do corporations force you to buy their products?

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Taxes are not theft. Excessive Corp profits are theft.

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You're an idiot

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Is it a factual thing?

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TA was assuming for arguments sake that it is. Did you read his post?

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There would be a LOT of stupid people suffering from their poor choice to leave their investments in stocks

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And, there would be a LOT of people who would end up in significantly higher tax brackets due to NOT fricking up. Then, you could have the straight up old people welfare program that people seem to want SS to become.

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All they need is a private property right to keep and invest what they are contributing to Social Security right now.

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Thanks to the crooks in Congress Social Security is nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme....a slush fund for politicans to use as they please. I was there in the eighties when politicians lied to the American people and raised S/S taxes. The crooks warned that the ratio of workers-to-retirees was dropping and we needed to "build up" the S/S Trust Fund in anticipation of the 'all those retiring babyboomers' coming over the horizon. So they raised S/S Taxes to 12% [6% employee matched by 6% employer]. The resulting infusion of $$ created surplus. Seemed like a workable solution until Congress voted to 'steal the S/S Trust Fund' and include [and account] the monies as part of the general fund. Neat trick which allowed the crooks [excuse me politicans] in Congress to gain access to all that S/S money, and spend to their hearts content, and hide the true $$ of the annual deficit. Pay the money back? No fear....just issue IOU's.

Make matters worse....America elects the ultimate crook.....one Barack Hussein Obama. Pookie sets about spending money like a drunk sailor. Now we're trillions of dollars in debt, with the annual deficit of between $ 1 - 1.5 trillion. No problem! Get the Treasury Secretary to fire up the printing press at treasury and print some 'funny money'. Then let the Fed Chairman roll out something called Quantative Easing. Sounds all official and comforting. You know another supposedly viable solution.

So Congress comes along an adds other goodies to Social Security like Supplmental Security Income {SSI} and starts paying out generous Disability Payments. Believe those folks on Disability Payments are now up to 10+ mlllion {did I read that right?} Imagine that....all those benefits for S/S, SSI and Disability paid with borrowed and QE money. Did I mention Earned Income Credit or THE Affordable Healthcare Act? Life is great and the democrats [and some RINO's] keep getting elected on something called Compassionate Conservatism.

So you complain about a poor rate of return on the government Social Security. Maybe we should be asking our politicans in Washington what is the true condition of the so-called Social Security TRUST Fund? Notice I said the government S/S......remember S/S belongs to the government. That S/S account to have with S/S is an illusion. The projected benefit figure you see on your annual S/S Statement is just a number....a promise to pay. The money has been spent by your pal NOBAMA and his blood sucking thieve buddies in Congress.

Sleep on that tonight.

Have a great day!