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re: Rundown of how the CFB playoffs will work
Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:16 pm to atltiger6487
Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:16 pm to atltiger6487
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So I'm fine with a committee, similar to college basketball. Sure, we can all bitch about who's on the committee, but at least the committee's big enough to hopefully smooth out any biases among individual members.
the committee is the worst part of it. They will consider all factors regarding future performance expectations. A member has come out and said that things like suspensions and injuries may keep a team out.
Can you imagine a situation like that in any other sport....Lebron goes down last play of game seven in the conf finals, Heat win..but they give it to the Pacers because they 'should' be better than a Lebronless Heat team.
Same as losing your star QB last play of a conference champ game that you won. Imagine FSU losing Winston in the last game. Are they the same team without him, nope. The committee can keep that team out, and that is just absolute bullshite.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:27 pm to MJM
quote:He's right.
This is the most backass, ignorant argument I always hear.
quote:OMG
The current set-up is after you lose once the remainder of your season is meaningless. Hell this happens to half the teams after week 1
Hell, we won one with 2 losses. Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:08 pm to MJM
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The current set-up is after you lose once the remainder of your season is meaningless. Hell this happens to half the teams after week 1
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How is the regular season so meaningful when half the teams are basically eliminated after one week?
both these scenarios have the same answer...90-95% of ALL teams are NOT playing for a championship outside of their conference when they kick off the first game. Do you really think ULM, New Mexico, Navy, and Tulane have a natty as a team goal? Yes 50% do go down, you gotta weed em out sometime, like a tournament.
Funny, the guys that want a tournament so bad, don't like the all year tourney run now.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:35 pm to tigerfoot
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the committee is the worst part of it.
How can anyone say this???
What do you want to use, the polls? The BCS Standings? You do know that the BCS Standings are 2/3 polls and 1/3 computers.
The polls are the most absurd, nonsensical, and flawed things in college football, and I've hated them for decades. Personally, I'm thrilled to see them not play a part in the selection of the 4 teams.
I'd much rather a relatively large group of people consider all factors, discuss, and make their picks.
Ideally, once the playoff expands to 8 teams (which it will), then maybe we use a combination of automatic berths and at-large selections, again, just like college basketball.
But to me, a committee is FAR preferable than a ridiculous poll. You can't base selections strictly on records because there's 130 teams. You have to make picks, and what's better: polls or the committee? That's an easy answer.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:51 pm to atltiger6487
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But to me, a committee is FAR preferable than a ridiculous poll. You can't base selections strictly on records because there's 130 teams. You have to make picks, and what's better: polls or the committee? That's an easy answer.
Do you not realize a POLL is exactly what the committe will be creating/using to get the 4 teams?
The committe will rank 1-25 and at the end their poll takes 1-4 and puts them in The playoff
So rather than a coaches or media poll or computer poll or combination of all 3, we now merely have a 13-person poll in its place. Seems brilliant... One step forward, two steps back.
I'm all for the 4-team playoff, but there was no reason to scrap the BCS rankings. They should have just used the same BCS rankings for the new playoff.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:34 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:This.
Do you not realize a POLL is exactly what the committe will be creating/using to get the 4 teams?
The committe will rank 1-25 and at the end their poll takes 1-4 and puts them in The playoff
So rather than a coaches or media poll or computer poll or combination of all 3, we now merely have a 13-person poll in its place. Seems brilliant... One step forward, two steps back.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:03 pm to JPLSU1981
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Do you not realize a POLL is exactly what the committe will be creating/using to get the 4 teams?
But the committee's "poll" will be much different. The traditional polls are done by coaches (more accurately, by a staff member the coach appoints, because coaches have no time to analyze numerous games nationwide every week), and the Harris Interactive poll has a lot of members. Both polls are done by individuals who don't discuss among themselves. It's much easier for biases to infect those polls. Besides, I'd bet my house that most of the pollsters don't watch many college games every week. Those polls are highly, highly flawed.
By contrast, the "poll" by the committee is theoretically going to be done with a lot more honest discussion and deliberation, again much like the basketball committee, which surely ranks all of the eligible basketball teams and then seeds them.
Plus the committee's first "poll" will only come out at midseason, which eliminates the bias in the traditional polls for teams that are highly ranked in the pre-season, which is a complete joke.
So the same, yet very, very different.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:05 pm to atltiger6487
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What do you want to use, the polls? The BCS Standings? You do know that the BCS Standings are 2/3 polls and 1/3 computers. The polls are the most absurd, nonsensical, and flawed things in college football, and I've hated them for decades. Personally, I'm thrilled to see them not play a part in the selection of the 4 teams.
All the committee does is replace the 1/3 computers and 1/3 coach's with 2/3 human polls. Now, instead of having checks and balances, there is a unilateral committee.
I'd rather see a playoff that gives every conference champion a spot. Then everyone knows the exact criteria to play in the tourny at the beginning of the season. Strength of schedule could be used to determine seeding. Home games for the higher seeded teams until the Championship.
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and the Harris Interactive poll has a lot of members. Both polls are done by individuals who don't discuss among themselves. It's much easier for biases to infect those polls. Besides, I'd bet my house that most of the pollsters don't watch many college games every week. Those polls are highly, highly flawed.
The large sample size in the polls neutralize bias a lot better than discussion. Discussion leads to alliances and back room deals.
And I'd bet my house that the committee members won't watch any more games than the Harris poll voters did.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:35 pm to atltiger6487
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The polls are the most absurd, nonsensical, and flawed things in college football, and I've hated them for decades
Well why would you like a poll made up of 13 versus over 100?
quote:WHy do you want that system replaced with this garbage?
I'd much rather a relatively large group of people consider all factors, discuss, and make their picks.
quote:No, it will be nothing like college basketball, it is football, it is not subject to the same factors. Namely ability to play every 3 days
Ideally, once the playoff expands to 8 teams (which it will), then maybe we use a combination of automatic berths and at-large selections, again, just like college basketball.
quote:100 coaches or 13 committee members including Condi? Yeah, I think you have nailed it. Is Vitter open, he would be better than that silly ol Miles
You have to make picks, and what's better: polls or the committee? That's an easy answer.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:37 pm to Wayne Campbell
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All the committee does is replace the 1/3 computers and 1/3 coach's with 2/3 human polls. Now, instead of having checks and balances, there is a unilateral committee. I'd rather see a playoff that gives every conference champion a spot. Then everyone knows the exact criteria to play in the tourny at the beginning of the season. Strength of schedule could be used to determine seeding. Home games for the higher seeded teams until the Championship.
I could get behind a 8 team bracket with conf champions, but all must play a conf champ game and reduce the reg season by a game for the 8 playoff conferences.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:03 pm to Emteein
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Unless you are Alabama, then you don't have to win your division or conference, and still play for the National Championship. Yeah I know, severe butt hurt, it isn't going away anytime soon so deal with it.
I hear ya partner! 
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:07 pm to SG_Geaux
S g Geaux you are kiddiing arent you ?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:42 pm to atltiger6487
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I'd much rather a relatively large group of people consider all factors, discuss, and make their picks.
How do you feel about the fact the voting will remain anonymous? Only sets it up for favoritism. Don't think that there won't be bias involved. After years of tweeting the BCS rankings were near perfect...now we will have members of the committee voting for or against teams. They just refuse to do what makes sense.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:53 pm to DemSaintsDoh
She's really smart!!
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:41 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Sorry, not impressed. These people can't do any better than the system we had with at least some of the formula from unbiased computers. This is gonna such for LSU IMHO. 
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:49 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
I don't give a shite about Condy.
I do care that multiple people currently at active athletic institutions are allowed on this panel. That's a HUGE conflict of interest.
I do care that multiple people currently at active athletic institutions are allowed on this panel. That's a HUGE conflict of interest.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:04 pm to atltiger6487
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By contrast, the "poll" by the committee is theoretically going to be done with a lot more honest discussion and deliberation, again much like the basketball committee, which surely ranks all of the eligible basketball teams and then seeds them.
and yet people bitch about it every year. And like poster said above, it is basketball not football.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:11 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
I agree they should have just left the BCS rankings in place to decide the 4, but ultimately each team will control its own destiny. A one loss SEC champ should be enough to get in each year. I'm also glad they're leaving it at 4 teams, there are no more than 4 each year who deserve to be in the hunt. It preserves the regular season, and prevents a repeat of seasons like 2004.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:08 am to geaux from largo
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formula from unbiased computers.
Surely you're kidding.
The formula the computer uses is created by HUMANS. And they know it's not perfect, because they tweak it every year. Margin of victory is included one year, and it's out the next.
And when it comes to polls, I may be in the minority, but I think the current polls are just garbage, and have been for many decades.
I don't know anyone who argues with the use of a selection committee for basketball. And yes, I realize basketball and football playoffs are different, but I'd much rather have a group of people whose sole job is to select and seed the 4 teams.
There's a seriousness of purpose that goes along with that job, rather than just mindlessly filling out a poll ballot every week with very little analysis. And I'd much rather have these guys all in a room talking through the pros and cons of each team for hours (or days) at the end of the year. And yes, it ain't perfect, and I realize each person brings their biases to the table.
But it's a hell of a lot better than relying on those absurd polls.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:36 pm to atltiger6487
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There's a seriousness of purpose that goes along with that job, rather than just mindlessly filling out a poll ballot every week with very little analysis. And I'd much rather have these guys all in a room talking through the pros and cons of each team for hours (or days) at the end of the year. And yes, it ain't perfect, and I realize each person brings their biases to the table.
If it is the best way why wouldn't they have done that when trying to get the best TWO teams?
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