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re: Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:47 pm to DontCare
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:47 pm to DontCare
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you must also assume that the marriage of two jewish people is damned to eternal hellfire
uh....wat. Not how it works. Gay marriage is living in perpetual sin, unless both parties refrain from sex entirely and are simply two people who love each other without acting upon sexual desire. a.k.a. friends. Two hetero people of any race, creed, or belief marrying and having sex is not a sin. Other aspects of their life may contain sin, yes, but not that. Your argument does not create a moral quandary in any way. Not sure how you saw it that way.
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if you are against gay marriage, that's fine. be against it. but apply those beliefs consistently and rail against all forms of non-christian marriage, not just the one that is the realization of your innermost desires and insecurities.
This part, however, I do completely agree with. We should condemn all sin, not just the ones that makes us uncomfortable. I do not mean condemn the sinner. Paul clearly shows us that we are not to judge those outside the church, but we are to judge those who call themselves Christians. We have it backwards in western Christianity.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:50 pm to goldennugget
quote:Absolutely impossible.
Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Except for Obama. Then it was possible.
Impossible for everyone else.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:52 pm to VaBamaMan
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Two hetero people of any race, creed, or belief marrying and having sex is not a sin.
It is if they are not married to each other.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:59 pm to Bmath
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It is if they are not married to each other.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:10 am to VaBamaMan
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Gay marriage is living in perpetual sin
the problem with this is that anyone who isn't living according to christianity is inherently living in sin. if a jew lived who committed no transgression other than being jewish, then he would still go to hell because he was not christian. to the christian, jews are living their lives in perpetual sin by virtue of their denial that jesus christ is their lord and savior.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:14 am to cwill
quote:What part do you need explained?
These are people campaigning to diminish the rights of a subset of citizens because they are religious. That's bigoted.
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Yup.
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Explain.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:18 am to Upperaltiger06
quote:Uh. Do you read the news?
You are forcing you opinion on other adults who are not harming anyone else. It'd be the same as an atheist forcing you to stop practicing your religion...
quote:Very respectful and tolerant. Nice job.
.which would make way more sense because its based on phony superstition
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:51 am to DontCare
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the problem with this is that anyone who isn't living according to christianity is inherently living in sin. if a jew lived who committed no transgression other than being jewish, then he would still go to hell because he was not christian. to the christian, jews are living their lives in perpetual sin by virtue of their denial that jesus christ is their lord and savior.
Yes, but the marriage isn't the sin. I don't know why you cant see the distinction.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 5:27 am to VaBamaMan
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uh....wat. Not how it works. Gay marriage is living in perpetual sin, unless both parties refrain from sex entirely and are simply two people who love each other without acting upon sexual desire. a.k.a. friends. Two hetero people of any race, creed, or belief marrying and having sex is not a sin. Other aspects of their life may contain sin, yes, but not that. Your argument does not create a moral quandary in any way. Not sure how you saw it that way.
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The prevalence of intersex depends on which definition is used. According to the ISNA definition above, 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity.[19] Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to assign them to a given sex category (i.e., male or female). According to Fausto-Sterling's definition of intersex,[20] on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex.[20]
Why would god make these folks? Are they just not supposed to ever have a sexual relationship?
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:40 am to dcrews
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My point is, if you can accept the fact that people in life will have differing view than your own, then why the need for boycotting or protesting that someone be fire, fined, held accountable for a mere opinion
I agree. I don't boycott.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:26 am to VaBamaMan
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Yes, but the marriage isn't the sin. I don't know why you cant see the distinction.
because you're changing the points of the argument mid-stream. if the marriage isn't the sin, then what grounds are there to oppose the marriage? likewise to a gay couple, an atheist couple lives their lives in absolute sin (the denial of the holy spirit). so, being that their's are sinful lives and their's will be a sinful marriage, why don't you oppose the right of atheists to marry? is it because you are more tempted by homosexuality than by atheism?
if you oppose homosexuality, that's one thing. but denying gays the legal rights that accompany marriage is a matter of civil liberties.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:53 am to Bmath
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I agree with your point to an extent. I don't understand why many groups are so out spoken about homosexuality and gay marriage, but barely seem to care about fornication, adultery, and divorce.
That's an easy one. It is much easier for straight people to rail against gay marriage since they don't ever have to worry about committing that certain "sin". However, addressing divorce, adultery, premarital sex, etc. would require a long look in the mirror for many (if not most) Christians, and that just isn't a comfortable thing to do by nature.
Put another way, it would be easy for me as a white male to say that blacks or females don't deserve equal treatment under the law because said unequal treatment would never personally affect me.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:19 am to DCRebel
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Merriam-Webster says that a bigot is "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. ... a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)." I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people. Now, I'm going to look at what you've said. quote: I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God. quote: I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary. So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry. But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said. *"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
This is thought-policing. Holding a belief without imposing it on others is not "oppressive".
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:32 am to goldennugget
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I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot.
of course you don't. that's exactly what you are though.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
Also, this whole thing about hiding behind the bible to defend your bigotry is so transparent. Back in the 50's people used it to defend segregation.
Wait Until The End
Wait Until The End
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
even if he doesn't "hate", or even dislike them?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:39 am to goldennugget
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So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds,
Why? It's not your sin to carry. The State carries out multiple functions on a daily basis that would be considered "sinful". I don't see where your religious convictions should play any part in this individual act. That is for them to be held accountable for, if it's true you believe they will.
Are you against the practice of other religions within the U.S.? It seems worshipping other Gods is a much bigger no-no in the Bible. The state affords that right to the individual, so why pick and chose the issue here?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Also, this whole thing about hiding behind the bible to defend your bigotry is so transparent. Back in the 50's people used it to defend segregation.
So when your favorite Democrat from the modern era (Obama) hid behind his religion to defend his bigotry, much like the Democrats from the 50's did, why were you not as eager to call him out? Is it OK since he has a D by his name?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:47 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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even if he doesn't "hate", or even dislike them?
Of course. Duh.
Christians, especially those who admit to being on the Right, are held to the highest (double) standards possible by the left and their intolerant base.
It is either the left's way or no way at all. You need to pay attention to what you are dealing with now. There is no middle ground. You either conform, or you are a bigot that must be cast out.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:54 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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So when your favorite Democrat from the modern era (Obama) hid behind his religion to defend his bigotry, much like the Democrats from the 50's did, why were you not as eager to call him out?
Who said I wasn't eager to call him out?
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