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Do any of the libs here have any facts of the evil of the koch brothers?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:06 pm
seriously...
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:16 pm to CptBengal
Not a lib but having money = racist and evil
Posted on 4/2/14 at 8:16 pm to CptBengal
Boxcar Willie mentioned them (briefly) in the Obamacare thread. People like him only know they are supposed to think they are the bad guys.I don't believe I've ever heard one lib-prog explain why they are evil, except of course because they are rich and libertarian.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:42 pm to CptBengal
Harry Reid says they are dirty. From the senate floor at that.
Must be true.
Must be true.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:46 pm to CptBengal
Yes only liberals demonize the "other" side
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:47 pm to CptBengal
The Koch Brothers donated money to Mary Landreiu's super PAC...f&%k 'em
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:11 pm to CptBengal
To some extent their just liberal boogey men. I just think they are pretty much dicks. They're clearly a parasite on the system who are achieving what they want through buying legislators off. Not to say the democrats don't have donors doing the exactly same thing.
Ideologues will not fix the problems this country currently has. Neither the far left or right is the answer.
Ideologues will not fix the problems this country currently has. Neither the far left or right is the answer.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:47 am to CptBengal
They have money. Thus, they MUST be guilty of something.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:26 am to CptBengal
people here a such hacks. The same people saying "oooh libs hate people with money" and "libs demonize people who see differently than them and are successful" are the same who were saying this exact same shite when Soros was spending all that money to beat Bush.
So stop with the hackery.
It must be so nice to have a forum with no real dissenting views.
So stop with the hackery.
It must be so nice to have a forum with no real dissenting views.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:53 am to CptBengal
Dems manipulating poor people who covet.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:09 am to CptBengal
Facts:
They're offices are in my building.
I share many elevators with their employees.
I have a love/hate relationship with intern season... I could do without the clones of young men with the Bama bangs, blue blazers and khaki pants wearing backpacks crowding the elevators... But the Koch brothers bring in some pretty good female talent.
Once per year, I see a black person get off on their floor and wonder what they are doing.
They're offices are in my building.
I share many elevators with their employees.
I have a love/hate relationship with intern season... I could do without the clones of young men with the Bama bangs, blue blazers and khaki pants wearing backpacks crowding the elevators... But the Koch brothers bring in some pretty good female talent.
Once per year, I see a black person get off on their floor and wonder what they are doing.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 7:56 am to CptBengal
They own Koch industries so they are rich.
I'm not sure if you knew, but that makes them both dishonest and racist unless they donate significant sums of money to the Democratic Party as a penance.
I'm not sure if you knew, but that makes them both dishonest and racist unless they donate significant sums of money to the Democratic Party as a penance.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:00 am to CptBengal
If you're really interested, OP, read some Mark Ames and Yasha Levine on the Koch brothers. Not saying that they're coming from an entirely honest and unimpeachable place, but they've found loads of interesting info.
EDIT: LINK /
Here's one of many Levine/Ames articles about the brothers.
EDIT: LINK /
Here's one of many Levine/Ames articles about the brothers.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 8:02 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:51 am to CptBengal
Here's the first of several posts including facts about the Koch brothers...seriously.
Pollution:
The Political Economy Research Institute ranks Koch Industries as the tenth worst air polluter in the U.S. in their Toxic Release Inventory. CARMA reports that Koch releases about 200,000 tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide annually.
Koch Industries has a long record [PDF] of environmental crimes and violations, including, but not limited to:
•A $1.7 million fine by the EPA and $500 million commitment to correct pollution violations in seven states
•Millions of gallons of spilled oil from Koch pipelines throughout the past decade
•A $25 million settlement with the U.S. government in 2001 after falsifying extraction records for oil collected on Native American and federal land
•A $20 million settlement in 2000 for falsifying documents relating to a major release of the carcinogen benzene
•A 1996 explosion that killed two teenagers due to a leaking Koch gas pipeline
While David Koch, a victim of prostate cancer, has donated millions to cancer research institutions and is a member of the National Cancer Advisory Board, Koch Industries subsidiary Georgia-Pacific is actively working to downplay the dangers of formaldehyde, a known carcinogen
Pollution:
The Political Economy Research Institute ranks Koch Industries as the tenth worst air polluter in the U.S. in their Toxic Release Inventory. CARMA reports that Koch releases about 200,000 tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide annually.
Koch Industries has a long record [PDF] of environmental crimes and violations, including, but not limited to:
•A $1.7 million fine by the EPA and $500 million commitment to correct pollution violations in seven states
•Millions of gallons of spilled oil from Koch pipelines throughout the past decade
•A $25 million settlement with the U.S. government in 2001 after falsifying extraction records for oil collected on Native American and federal land
•A $20 million settlement in 2000 for falsifying documents relating to a major release of the carcinogen benzene
•A 1996 explosion that killed two teenagers due to a leaking Koch gas pipeline
While David Koch, a victim of prostate cancer, has donated millions to cancer research institutions and is a member of the National Cancer Advisory Board, Koch Industries subsidiary Georgia-Pacific is actively working to downplay the dangers of formaldehyde, a known carcinogen
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:07 am to CptBengal
Well, you said you wanted facts.
Read this.
Bribery
Bloomberg reports that employees of a Koch Industries unit in France called Koch-Glitsch made "improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002.
These six years of "improper payments" were made in Algeria, Egypt, India, Morocco, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. "The only thing that would seriously impact the profitability and continuity of Koch Industries was a compliance issue," former Koch-Glitsch managing director for the U.K., Ged Horner, told Bloomberg. To avoid a bribery scandal like that faced by Siemens AG, the company placed the responsibility on the business director of Koch-Glitsch France, Leon Mausen, and fired him in December 2008.
The "U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act" of 1977 (authored by former Wisconsin Senator Bill Proxmire) makes it illegal for U.S. or foreign companies to pay bribes to government officials and state-owned companies.
Despite Koch-Glitsch's efforts to point the finger at Mausen, the French Labor Court wrote in its opinion that "it was not Mr. Mausen alone who was giving authorizations." Mausen was the fall guy, but responsibility may have gone further up the command chain. Company policy required approval from other Koch-Glitsch managers, the court said, including Christoph Ender, the president of Koch- Glitsch for Europe and Asia.
Sales to Iran
Bloomberg also reports that Koch Industries "sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism." U.S. companies have been banned from trading with Iran since 1995, but Koch made sales through its foreign subsidiaries as recently as 2007.
Falsifying Benzene Emissions
In April 2001, the Koch Petroleum Group (now Flint Hills Resources) pled guilty to a felony charge of lying to the government about benzene emissions from its Corpus Christi, Texas plant. Benzene can cause Leukemia and other cancer. Koch earned $176 million in profit from the plant in 1995. It would have cost $7 million to comply with the benzene emission regulation.
In January 1995, Koch informed the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission it had installed a new anti-pollution device to burn off the benzene – but refinery workers disconnected it in days.
In December 1995, Koch environmental technician Sally Barnes-Soliz found 91 metric tons of uncontrolled benzene emissions from Koch Petroleum's plant in Corpus Christi, Texas, more than 15 times what was permitted by law. In April 1996, however, Koch reported to Texas regulators uncontrolled emissions of only 0.61 metric tons for 1995, or 1/149th the quantity Barnes-Soliz had found.
Stealing Oil on Indian Land
In May 1989, estranged Koch brother Bill, twin brother of David, told the Senate special committee on investigations of a scheme to steal oil on Indian land. "According to data the committee compiled, Koch took 1.95 million barrels of oil it didn't pay for from 1986 to 1988.
FBI agent Richard Elroy told the committee, "The theft is widespread and pervasive, and these people are being horribly victimized."
The Senate referred the case to the Justice Department, but no indictment followed.
However, in a December 1999 civil trial brought by Bill Koch, the jury found that "Koch Industries had made 24,587 false claims in buying oil, underpaying the U.S. government for royalties on Native American land from 1985 to 1989."
Deadly Butane Explosion
In August 1996, Danny Smalley watched his 17 year old daughter Danielle and her friend Jason Stone get burned alive in a cloud of ignited butane gas that had leaked from a corroded Koch Industries pipeline.
A jury found that "Koch Industries acted with malice because it had been aware of the extreme risks of using the faulty pipeline," and awarded Danny Smalley $296 million in 1999 for the wrongful death of his daughter.
Smalley used the settlement money to start the Danielle Dawn Smalley Foundation for pipeline safety education. "You see two children burned to death in front of you, you never forget that," Danny Smalley said in an interview with Bloomberg. "I want to stop other parents from ever having to see that."
Three months later, Koch settled two EPA cases for $35 million, which covered more than 300 oil spills in six states.
Koch and the American Legislative Exchange Council
Given the Kochs' history of environmental violations and efforts to skirt U.S. law, it is little wonder they have funded a broad array of organizations that seek to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency, deny climate science that justifies many environmental regulations, and otherwise deregulate the economy in ways that benefit Koch Industries' bottom line.
In addition to Astroturf groups like American for Prosperity, Koch Industries and the foundations funded or managed by the Koch brothers have a long history of heavily funding the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).
Among the ALEC "model" bills and resolutions that the Center for Media and Democracy made public on ALECexposed.org are bills that roll back environmental protections and regulations like those that Koch violated in Corpus Christi, resolutions that thwart regional carbon emissions initiatives, and a report calls EPA regulations a "trainwreck." There are also resolutions opposing any and all trade sanctions like those Koch came close to violating with its Iran sales, in addition to bills that advance Koch ideological initiatives like dismantling social security.
The Kochs' Claude R. Lambe Foundation gave $125,000 to ALEC in 2009. The Charles G. Koch Foundation gave over $75,000 to ALEC in 2009 and loaned ALEC $500,000 in 1996. Koch Industries sponsored the publication of ALEC's 1995 Sourcebook of "model" legislation for the states
Read this.
Bribery
Bloomberg reports that employees of a Koch Industries unit in France called Koch-Glitsch made "improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002.
These six years of "improper payments" were made in Algeria, Egypt, India, Morocco, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. "The only thing that would seriously impact the profitability and continuity of Koch Industries was a compliance issue," former Koch-Glitsch managing director for the U.K., Ged Horner, told Bloomberg. To avoid a bribery scandal like that faced by Siemens AG, the company placed the responsibility on the business director of Koch-Glitsch France, Leon Mausen, and fired him in December 2008.
The "U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act" of 1977 (authored by former Wisconsin Senator Bill Proxmire) makes it illegal for U.S. or foreign companies to pay bribes to government officials and state-owned companies.
Despite Koch-Glitsch's efforts to point the finger at Mausen, the French Labor Court wrote in its opinion that "it was not Mr. Mausen alone who was giving authorizations." Mausen was the fall guy, but responsibility may have gone further up the command chain. Company policy required approval from other Koch-Glitsch managers, the court said, including Christoph Ender, the president of Koch- Glitsch for Europe and Asia.
Sales to Iran
Bloomberg also reports that Koch Industries "sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism." U.S. companies have been banned from trading with Iran since 1995, but Koch made sales through its foreign subsidiaries as recently as 2007.
Falsifying Benzene Emissions
In April 2001, the Koch Petroleum Group (now Flint Hills Resources) pled guilty to a felony charge of lying to the government about benzene emissions from its Corpus Christi, Texas plant. Benzene can cause Leukemia and other cancer. Koch earned $176 million in profit from the plant in 1995. It would have cost $7 million to comply with the benzene emission regulation.
In January 1995, Koch informed the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission it had installed a new anti-pollution device to burn off the benzene – but refinery workers disconnected it in days.
In December 1995, Koch environmental technician Sally Barnes-Soliz found 91 metric tons of uncontrolled benzene emissions from Koch Petroleum's plant in Corpus Christi, Texas, more than 15 times what was permitted by law. In April 1996, however, Koch reported to Texas regulators uncontrolled emissions of only 0.61 metric tons for 1995, or 1/149th the quantity Barnes-Soliz had found.
Stealing Oil on Indian Land
In May 1989, estranged Koch brother Bill, twin brother of David, told the Senate special committee on investigations of a scheme to steal oil on Indian land. "According to data the committee compiled, Koch took 1.95 million barrels of oil it didn't pay for from 1986 to 1988.
FBI agent Richard Elroy told the committee, "The theft is widespread and pervasive, and these people are being horribly victimized."
The Senate referred the case to the Justice Department, but no indictment followed.
However, in a December 1999 civil trial brought by Bill Koch, the jury found that "Koch Industries had made 24,587 false claims in buying oil, underpaying the U.S. government for royalties on Native American land from 1985 to 1989."
Deadly Butane Explosion
In August 1996, Danny Smalley watched his 17 year old daughter Danielle and her friend Jason Stone get burned alive in a cloud of ignited butane gas that had leaked from a corroded Koch Industries pipeline.
A jury found that "Koch Industries acted with malice because it had been aware of the extreme risks of using the faulty pipeline," and awarded Danny Smalley $296 million in 1999 for the wrongful death of his daughter.
Smalley used the settlement money to start the Danielle Dawn Smalley Foundation for pipeline safety education. "You see two children burned to death in front of you, you never forget that," Danny Smalley said in an interview with Bloomberg. "I want to stop other parents from ever having to see that."
Three months later, Koch settled two EPA cases for $35 million, which covered more than 300 oil spills in six states.
Koch and the American Legislative Exchange Council
Given the Kochs' history of environmental violations and efforts to skirt U.S. law, it is little wonder they have funded a broad array of organizations that seek to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency, deny climate science that justifies many environmental regulations, and otherwise deregulate the economy in ways that benefit Koch Industries' bottom line.
In addition to Astroturf groups like American for Prosperity, Koch Industries and the foundations funded or managed by the Koch brothers have a long history of heavily funding the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).
Among the ALEC "model" bills and resolutions that the Center for Media and Democracy made public on ALECexposed.org are bills that roll back environmental protections and regulations like those that Koch violated in Corpus Christi, resolutions that thwart regional carbon emissions initiatives, and a report calls EPA regulations a "trainwreck." There are also resolutions opposing any and all trade sanctions like those Koch came close to violating with its Iran sales, in addition to bills that advance Koch ideological initiatives like dismantling social security.
The Kochs' Claude R. Lambe Foundation gave $125,000 to ALEC in 2009. The Charles G. Koch Foundation gave over $75,000 to ALEC in 2009 and loaned ALEC $500,000 in 1996. Koch Industries sponsored the publication of ALEC's 1995 Sourcebook of "model" legislation for the states
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:28 pm to CptBengal
Seriously they fall in at the 59th largest donors in order of cash value with the amount at just over 50 million. Earlier today on Drudge was an announcement that Soros is going so spend 85 million on campaigns to legalize pot nation wide from his pockets.
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