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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:03 pm to NoSaint
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:03 pm to NoSaint
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Not saying you're wrong, but I don't think there is evidence that those points were "Entered" into anything.
I think the common thinking as of now is that they caught random blimps on radar at times that would be constant with someone following those waypoints.
Correct me if I'm wrong
I agree, although the U.S. is pretty confident that the plane did follow that flight path based on information that is not yet public.
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Followup: And would entering the waypoints be the only way for them to coordinate if they shut down the transponder and anything else that could be tracked?
I would think that shutting down the transponder has no effect on the navigational systems.
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:07 pm to cabinuga
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:07 pm to iluvdatiger
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A. Everything Started shutting down on the plane and he turned around to go back the way he came, using waypoints and got lost
There is no way a Boeing 777 can suffer a complete electrical failure. None. There are way too many redundancies for this to happen. It is much more likely to have been shot down by Adolf Hitler than it is to have suffered a total electrical failure.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:08 pm to cabinuga
I think I remember reading that Malaysian ATC released the plane to Ho Chi Minh control at some point. Was that right before the plane disappeared? If so, I think that supports the theory that the pilot(s) are behind this. They knew Malaysian ATC wouldnt be paying attention to them at that point. Wasn't the pilot's "last words", "good night" or something like that.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:15 pm to 3HourTour
His last words were "Good night and good luck".
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:16 pm to RollTide1987
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It is much more likely to have been shot down by Adolf Hitler than it is to have suffered a total electrical failure.
Plane didn't fly anywhere near Argentina.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:16 pm to 3HourTour
For some reason I suspect that the US knows more than it is letting on, but maybe I'm just thinking too much.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:17 pm to 3HourTour
The malaysians just need to shut up and never be heard from again. Everytime I think they can't get any dumber, they hold a presser and bring it to a whole new level.
I just saw a clip on CNN with someone from their MILITARY claiming that it could be someone that took out a shitton of life insurance and crashed the plane for the payout
ETA: the more crazy shite they come up with, the more I am convinced tney shot it down
I just saw a clip on CNN with someone from their MILITARY claiming that it could be someone that took out a shitton of life insurance and crashed the plane for the payout
ETA: the more crazy shite they come up with, the more I am convinced tney shot it down
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:20 pm to 3HourTour
Yes, when
Malaysian ATC released the plane to Ho Chi Minh control, they didn't show up on ho chi's radar. Ho chi called malaysia atc and said "where's the plane?"
Malaysian ATC released the plane to Ho Chi Minh control, they didn't show up on ho chi's radar. Ho chi called malaysia atc and said "where's the plane?"
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:20 pm to iluvdatiger
It's definitely the pilot(s)
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:23 pm to 3HourTour
quote:Based on my (admittedly limited) knowledge, that was just a typical handoff from one air control center to another. In the US, say you fly from Atlanta to Las Vegas, when you first get in the air you are in touch with Atlanta Center. Once you get west of Birmingham you would be passed to Memphis Center, then Dallas Center (when you are west of Arkansas), then Albuquerque Center when you get to the texas/NM line and finally you would be switched to Los Angeles Center for the final bit of the flight before passing to LV tower for landing.
I think I remember reading that Malaysian ATC released the plane to Ho Chi Minh control at some point. Was that right before the plane disappeared? If so, I think that supports the theory that the pilot(s) are behind this. They knew Malaysian ATC wouldnt be paying attention to them at that point. Wasn't the pilot's "last words", "good night" or something like that.
In the US, each center has access to radar from all over the area to keep track of planes because one radar installation would not cover an entire center's area.
Not sure if control centers in that part of the world have as robust a radar network. If so, I would think Ho Chi Minn Center would have at least gotten an unidentified contact on their radar, and why wouldn't KL Center have picked it up if it turned around, unless the civilian ATCs don't have the full radar data the military does.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:23 pm to iluvdatiger
3/14 cliff notes update
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:25 pm to RollTide1987
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There is no way a Boeing 777 can suffer a complete electrical failure. None. There are way too many redundancies for this to happen. It is much more likely to have been shot down by Adolf Hitler than it is to have suffered a total electrical failure.
united airlines 854 from buenos aires to miami:
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I give you Captain Brian Witcher and his crew aboard United Airlines flight 854, a 767 flying from Buenos Aires to Miami in April 2004. They never made headlines, but what they had to deal with was almost unthinkable: a complete electrical failure over the Andes at three o’clock in the morning. Under darkness, with their cockpit instruments dead or dying fast, including all radios and navigational equipment, they managed a successful emergency landing in mountain-ringed Bogota, Colombia.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:26 pm to S
CNN is reporting it either crashed In the Indian Ocean or landed in a remote group of islands. This gets more and more ridiculous by the day
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:28 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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777
And
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767
Are two entirely different aircraft
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:28 pm to PJinAtl
that's correct.
If you were flying from New Orleans to Dallas, you would take off in contact with NOLA, then after clearing their airspace they would hand you off to Houston Center, who would assign you a frequency and route you to Dallas. When entering Dallas airspace you would be handed off to their tower.
If you were flying from New Orleans to Dallas, you would take off in contact with NOLA, then after clearing their airspace they would hand you off to Houston Center, who would assign you a frequency and route you to Dallas. When entering Dallas airspace you would be handed off to their tower.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:29 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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I give you Captain Brian Witcher and his crew aboard United Airlines flight 854, a 767 flying from Buenos Aires to Miami in April 2004. They never made headlines, but what they had to deal with was almost unthinkable: a complete electrical failure over the Andes at three o’clock in the morning. Under darkness, with their cockpit instruments dead or dying fast, including all radios and navigational equipment, they managed a successful emergency landing in mountain-ringed Bogota, Colombia.
Because they activated the RAT, which powered their avionics and hydraulics, allowing them to land! The point STANDS, there's no way to have a compete and total power failure on a 777.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:29 pm to Traffic Circle
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For some reason I suspect that the US knows more than it is letting on, but maybe I'm just thinking too much.
The US clearly does at this point. The search moving west is mostly due to American "suggestions." A guy on one of the shows last night-don't know who he was or which show, it's all running together-said if the plane has gone in the water, the US undersea acoustic system leftover from the Cold War will hear the pinging beacon.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:29 pm to gsvar2004
It crashed! Unless it landed somewhere instead.
The pilots took it over! Unless they didn't.
This kind of system wide failure is impossible! But might not be.
Welcome to news reporting in the Internet age.
The pilots took it over! Unless they didn't.
This kind of system wide failure is impossible! But might not be.
Welcome to news reporting in the Internet age.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:32 pm to RollTide1987
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There is no way a Boeing 777 can suffer a complete electrical failure. None. There are way too many redundancies for this to happen.
Anything that is built by the lowest bidder (or highest) can fail...nothing is 100% fail safe. If there are redundancies built in it is b/c things can go wrong.
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