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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by Traffic Circle
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:33 pm to
To me, it's odd that the plane is too big to be missed on radar, but too small to be found in the ocean.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:33 pm to
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SPACEBALLS GIF FTW
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:35 pm to
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If there are redundancies built in it is b/c things can go wrong.



And the redundancies are exactly why the Boeing 777's electrical systems CAN'T fail. It has a primary system, a back-up system, an emergency back-up system, as well as a turbine that can convert wind into electricity. The chances of all of them failing at once are so small it's nearly incalculable. In fact...there was a Boeing 777 pilot on CNN today who made the claim that there has never been a total electrical failure on an airliner in the history of aviation.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 4:36 pm
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:38 pm to
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the US undersea acoustic system leftover from the Cold War will hear the pinging beacon.
If we have sensors in the general vicinity. SOSUS was mainly in the Atlantic, and in the passages between Greenland, Iceland and the UK, to make sure Russian subs didn't slip into the open Atlantic undetected. There were also a few in place in the Pacific to protect the US west coast, but I do not know how much effort was put into monitoring the Indian Ocean.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:39 pm to
Everyone should just go ahead and embrace the aliens theory

Odds are getting better every day

Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:39 pm to
I saw him say that and to me it is preposterous to say something built by man can't fail. I understand that it is highly unlikely but it isn't impossible.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:40 pm to
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understand that it is highly unlikely but it isn't impossible.


It's as close to impossible as it gets. The plane is more likely to crash, killing everyone on board, than it is to have total power loss mid-flight.

Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:42 pm to
6 suggested reasons for plane disappearance

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he reasons he cited were a combination of technical and pilot errors leading to a snowballing effect, structural disintegration, human factors, bad weather, total electrical failure and hijacking.




(OT had these and more days ago)

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He said total electrical failure could occur in general aviation aircraft, and there were three types of electrical power sources ? two generators (each engine has one), APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) and RAT (Ram Air Turbine).

"For the aircraft to have total electrical failure, all three systems should have failed at the same time. This is quite rare and has not happened.


"This happened to a Qantas flight in 2008 in Bangkok. The Qantas flight landed safely with backup power from the APU. Electrical failure from generators is an incident that needs to be reported back to the ATC and request for re-routing," he said.





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Madavaram ruled out the possibility that MH370 was hijacked, because it was impossible for the aircraft to have escaped all radar detection in the area where it was travelling.





The Rat on a commercial Boeing. Pretty nifty device. If all else fails, it will keep the avionics going.





(invented by ze Germans)

This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:46 pm to
We know the plane rose in altitude to ~45,000 feet, enough to knock out the passengers on the plane. The shifting in altitude and changes in direction point to someone deliberately moving the plane to avoid detection.

Throw in the communication devices being shutdown and we end up with certainty that this was either a hijacking by passenger(s) or pilot(s).
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:48 pm to
So would you say alien involvement would be more of a possibility than total electronic failure?

How many redundancies are needed to make it impossible? Redundancies are only needed to counter failures in systems
Posted by rollindaddy
Member since Jun 2010
1725 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:49 pm to
y couldnt 1 passenger get a signal on cell if they flew around for 4-5 more hours?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:49 pm to
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We know the plane rose in altitude to ~45,000 feet,


This must be new info
Posted by jdd48
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:49 pm to
Now it's being reported sharp changes in altitude and course after contact was lost. 40000ft in 1 minute! Think my drawers would be filled.
Posted by chalupa
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:50 pm to
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Madavaram ruled out the possibility that MH370 was hijacked, because it was impossible for the aircraft to have escaped all radar detection in the area where it was travelling.



Does this make zero sense to anyone else? Hijacking or not it obviously fricking did escape radar detection.
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:50 pm to
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Because they activated the RAT, which powered their avionics and hydraulics, allowing them to land! The point STANDS, there's no way to have a compete and total power failure on a 777.

I'll defer to your knowledge, but how long can the rat power a 777 in an emergency? asking honestly, not being contrarian.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:52 pm to
Is that even possible? That would be better than any amusement park ride
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:53 pm to
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Is that even possible? That would be better than any amusement park ride


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Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:54 pm to
I think this was a plan years in the making. An airstrip on an uninhibited island could have been cleared and prepared for several years without anyone knowing. Unless it absolutely has to be a concrete strip. I know they pave runways from 3-6 feet with concrete but that is with years and years of service in mind with dozens of commercial craft taking off and landing daily. Couldn't a strip be made of hard pan dirt with just one anticipated landing and subsequent takeoff?

Is it possible that several men with a few dozers working only at night and then covering their work with fake plants, bushes, rocks. Etc. before daylight could manage this over multiple years? Then clear the entire strip the day of the hijacking?

If it was years in planning, couldn't they have figured a way to have enough fuel on the island procured to get that plane airborne again and to at least a European destination?

I am just speculating like many but at this point it seems the unimaginable is possible. I have a strange feeling that our intelligence community know far more than it is letting on. Perhaps they had human or electronic intel, or both, and knew something big was being planned. Now they are keeping it close to the vest as they scramble to pinpoint exactly where this plane is parked. Maybe they already have found its location and are putting the plan together to execute its rescue? Just crazy! But I do know that many discount terrorism as no organization has claimed responsibility. But the question then becomes, "Why would a group tip their hand when their plan was not fully executed?" They would do that only after their end game was achieved, not after phase 1.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:55 pm to
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I'll defer to your knowledge, but how long can the rat power a 777 in an emergency? asking honestly, not being contrarian.



for as long as there is forward air speed.

Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74172 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 4:58 pm to
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Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.


that must be that cloaking device making it harder to track.
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