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MLS in New Orleans, the logistics of it
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:17 am
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:46 am to TheIrishFro
Tad Gormely could but it would need a multimillion dollar facelift. City park would be a great location for an MLS franchise Problem would be parking.
I think people would be surprised with the support for the team if we got one. Soccer is growing very fast down here, this coming from someone who has spent his whole life in NOLA.
Wouldn't need to worry about rain/sun protection. It doesn't usually rain at night in the summers and we can push the start times back to 7 like Houston does.
Let's face it though. It's not gonna happen unless some multi millionaire wants to fund it. Revitalization and rebuilding the infrastructure is/will be the city's main cash flow for the coming decades. And rightly so
I think people would be surprised with the support for the team if we got one. Soccer is growing very fast down here, this coming from someone who has spent his whole life in NOLA.
Wouldn't need to worry about rain/sun protection. It doesn't usually rain at night in the summers and we can push the start times back to 7 like Houston does.
Let's face it though. It's not gonna happen unless some multi millionaire wants to fund it. Revitalization and rebuilding the infrastructure is/will be the city's main cash flow for the coming decades. And rightly so
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:20 pm to Harry Pitts
Tad Gormley should be torn down and rebuilt into a SSS that can also host high school football with better sightlines...
Or an SSS can double as the UNO football stadium on the Lakefront...
Or an SSS can double as the UNO football stadium on the Lakefront...
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:34 pm to TheIrishFro
It would probably have to start up in Tulane's new stadium for the first couple of years, sort of what the Dynamo did at UH.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:56 pm to TheIrishFro
I'm going to say no on New Orleans. Would like to see it happen but not sure it would work out. Maybe NASL though.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:00 pm to chalmetteowl
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Tad Gormley should be torn down and rebuilt into a SSS that can also host high school football with better sightlines...
I think this would be a good idea, but is there another track in the metro NOLA area that can handle some of the bigger track meets (Sugar Bowl, District meets, Metros) if we get rid of Gormley?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:01 pm to theOG
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Soccer-specific stadium
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:53 pm to TheIrishFro
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Stadium?
I thought new MLS rules state that teams must have their own SSS ... and that they cannot share (esp a stadium hardly in good enough shape to host high school football games)
That being said it seems as though NO East might be the only easily accessible (although pain in the arse) place to build one. If they could squeeze room on the other side of US-90 (by the CCC) from the Warehouse District (around Mardi Gras World) you would have a cool atmosphere before/after games along the river/riverwalk.
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Fanbase?
It seems as though average MLS attendance is around 18,000. This seems even though we struggle with Hornets/Pelicans attendance for one main reason I can think of: You only play 1 game every 2 weeks like in the NFL. Its much easier to have more fans show up when its not every other night.
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Corporate sponsorship
Getting sponsorships doesn't seem too tough. Shell has sponsored the Shell Shockers before they became the Jesters or w/e. It seems between Shell and Chevron, along with hospitals, construction companies, law firms, and other energy sector companies (hell even Tom Benson might want a larger conglomerate) it shouldn't be too hard.
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The Name, colors, crest etc.
Of course the downside of us being granted a miracle and getting a MLS franchise, a bad team name is going to follow. They might try to incorporate the King Cake Baby.
Thanks for your time
(Editted the average MLS attendance of 2013)
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:06 pm to Downtown Devin Brown
I think the best bet would for a NASL team to start up, then play somewhere like Yulman stadium and build a following, sponsors, the whole bit. Then transition up from NASL to MLS, I don't think think MLS would go for a flat out expansion in Nola, too many other places that they'd want to go first, it'd need to be organic.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:06 pm to Downtown Devin Brown
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That being said it seems as though NO East might be the only easily accessible (although pain in the arse) place to build one. If they could squeeze room on the other side of US-90 (by the CCC) from the Warehouse District (around Mardi Gras World) you would have a cool atmosphere before/after games along the river/riverwalk.
NO east? Don't even bother.
Warehouse district? I'd be at every game.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:54 pm to Downtown Devin Brown
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I thought new MLS rules state that teams must have their own SSS ... and that they cannot share (esp a stadium hardly in good enough shape to host high school football games)
Nope.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:47 pm to WarSlamEagle
I don't think its a rule so much as they just won't seriously consider putting a club somewhere that doesn't have serious financial backing.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:55 pm to TheIrishFro
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Stadium? Superdome can't. Tad Gormely can't. Could Tulane's new stadium?
Glazers have been distracted from their ownership of Tampa Bucs and Man United with their partial sponsorship of Yulman Stadium. Just sayin'.
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Fanbase? Do we have a big enough market to have an MLS team survive?
With the stadium Uptown, you have the right demographic to attend games.
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Corporate sponsorship Do we have an edge somehow with this?
NOLA Brewing, brah. OK, seriously, Pan American Life? Shell?
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The Name, colors, crest etc. What would be the best route for the team?
Sazerac FC? NOLA Flambeaus?
Purple, Green, and Gold color scheme.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:34 pm to TheIrishFro
Garber has consistently said that an expansion team's potential for MLS is determined by three factors: 1) real viable ownership; 2) stadium plan; 3) support potential. The Montreal Impact paid $40M expansion fee; NYC paid $100M. It is safe to say that a potential ownership group in New Orleans will have to pony up north of $50M for the expansion fee. I do not think New Orleans will be home to an MLS team. That being said, it is fun to dream:
Stadium? The obvious choice would be to utilize Tulane's new stadium. It will be a good size and offer a cozy atmosphere in a good location. However, MLS will not entertain approaches for a new club without a permanent stadium plan.
The permanent solution will be to construct a new, soccer specific stadium. It will need to be fully financed by wealthy investors or the only alternative will be to seek public funds from the state and/or local governments. I do not believe such plans for public financing will be accepted or supported by the public majority. Therefore, a solid ownership group with deep pockets will be necessary. Unless they have Beckham type money, they will have to find a parcel of ill-used land that has potential to develop into a growth area. Garber's statement on stadiums is pretty clear:
The stadium will need to be covered over the stands for protection from the elements but not closed in so ventilation and air flow may help dissipate the Louisiana heat. Perhaps raise the roof high above the stands on pillars or sheath it in a mesh like covering such as the Dynamo stadium.
Fanbase? I don't think the market is there to support an MLS club. It must be fun to go to the games and the area around the stadium. Location will be key. Perhaps try and draw some of the tourists (foreign and domestic) to the game. A solid academy that is tied closely to the community is a necessity so that grass roots attachments are formed.
Corporate sponsorship? I don't think New Orleans has an edge but I think a good corporate sponsorship will be easy to find.
Name? I like two: 1) the Dukes (New Orleans was named in honor of the Duke of Orleans); it sounds regal, pimpish, and is unique. 2) the Creoles; also borne from the area's heritage and is unique to the area.
Colors? Most will probably suggest purple, gold, green but instead I would prefer the colors of the city's flag: red, blue, white, and gold
Crest? Re-shape the city flag into a crest someway; stylize it yet keep it classy. Perhaps somehow incorporate the crescent bend of the river into part of the crest. Maybe include the three fleurs-de-lis.
Stadium? The obvious choice would be to utilize Tulane's new stadium. It will be a good size and offer a cozy atmosphere in a good location. However, MLS will not entertain approaches for a new club without a permanent stadium plan.
The permanent solution will be to construct a new, soccer specific stadium. It will need to be fully financed by wealthy investors or the only alternative will be to seek public funds from the state and/or local governments. I do not believe such plans for public financing will be accepted or supported by the public majority. Therefore, a solid ownership group with deep pockets will be necessary. Unless they have Beckham type money, they will have to find a parcel of ill-used land that has potential to develop into a growth area. Garber's statement on stadiums is pretty clear:
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"The urban formula has been working for us and it’s hard to imagine that we would go into a market where we don’t have that scenario. … It’s not an absolute, but whether it’s Minneapolis, or St. Louis, or Austin or San Antonio. All the potential stadium sites and I say potential because we haven’t even begun to look deeply in any of those markets, all of them would be within the urban core."
The stadium will need to be covered over the stands for protection from the elements but not closed in so ventilation and air flow may help dissipate the Louisiana heat. Perhaps raise the roof high above the stands on pillars or sheath it in a mesh like covering such as the Dynamo stadium.
Fanbase? I don't think the market is there to support an MLS club. It must be fun to go to the games and the area around the stadium. Location will be key. Perhaps try and draw some of the tourists (foreign and domestic) to the game. A solid academy that is tied closely to the community is a necessity so that grass roots attachments are formed.
Corporate sponsorship? I don't think New Orleans has an edge but I think a good corporate sponsorship will be easy to find.
Name? I like two: 1) the Dukes (New Orleans was named in honor of the Duke of Orleans); it sounds regal, pimpish, and is unique. 2) the Creoles; also borne from the area's heritage and is unique to the area.
Colors? Most will probably suggest purple, gold, green but instead I would prefer the colors of the city's flag: red, blue, white, and gold
Crest? Re-shape the city flag into a crest someway; stylize it yet keep it classy. Perhaps somehow incorporate the crescent bend of the river into part of the crest. Maybe include the three fleurs-de-lis.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 11:17 am to LuckyTiger
Lucky, I agree with you on most of your post.
I've been to Jester's matches, it's flippin' hot and humid even at 7:00 p.m. IF MLS adopted the "rest-of-the-world" football schedule it might be bearable, but April to November? Would be difficult.
The Jesters draw about 1,000 people per match, or they did a couple years ago when I went. I haven't been in two seasons, there's no promotion of them.
Leave Tad Gormley alone. Way too much history there, it's a great place, especially for high-school football. There has been talk of taking out the track to widen the pitch to FIFA standard. I love soccer, but this is over the top, Coach Gormley was a track man, and football coach second. Leave it alone.
Really needs to be somewhere without football lines.
The Mardi Gras World idea is a really good idea, it's why Mr. Benson pitched a stadium idea there, as well. Tulane would be a great idea, but we all know Garber wants SSS for all franchises. He's willing to go along with Sounders due to the attendance and atmosphere.
We'll never get a sniff for a few decades, yet, we HAVE to consistently support Jesters, or whatever else is here first. Don't forget TV. Is our TV market big enough and interested enough?
I've been to Jester's matches, it's flippin' hot and humid even at 7:00 p.m. IF MLS adopted the "rest-of-the-world" football schedule it might be bearable, but April to November? Would be difficult.
The Jesters draw about 1,000 people per match, or they did a couple years ago when I went. I haven't been in two seasons, there's no promotion of them.
Leave Tad Gormley alone. Way too much history there, it's a great place, especially for high-school football. There has been talk of taking out the track to widen the pitch to FIFA standard. I love soccer, but this is over the top, Coach Gormley was a track man, and football coach second. Leave it alone.
Really needs to be somewhere without football lines.
The Mardi Gras World idea is a really good idea, it's why Mr. Benson pitched a stadium idea there, as well. Tulane would be a great idea, but we all know Garber wants SSS for all franchises. He's willing to go along with Sounders due to the attendance and atmosphere.
We'll never get a sniff for a few decades, yet, we HAVE to consistently support Jesters, or whatever else is here first. Don't forget TV. Is our TV market big enough and interested enough?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:59 pm to RedPop4
NOLA FC
Name: I like the Revellers or Storm
Site: By the river
Roof: Cantilever
Colors: white/black or purple/green/gold
Logo: AC DC style with a lightning bolt between th O and the L in NOLA for the storm...or an open Mardi Gras style umbrella sticking up between the l's in Revellers.
Academies set up in Nola/Houma/ BR/ and Abita (academy league play?...prior/after matches. ).
Dream on :)
Name: I like the Revellers or Storm
Site: By the river
Roof: Cantilever
Colors: white/black or purple/green/gold
Logo: AC DC style with a lightning bolt between th O and the L in NOLA for the storm...or an open Mardi Gras style umbrella sticking up between the l's in Revellers.
Academies set up in Nola/Houma/ BR/ and Abita (academy league play?...prior/after matches. ).
Dream on :)
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:04 am to RedPop4
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Leave Tad Gormley alone. Way too much history there, it's a great place, especially for high-school football. There has been talk of taking out the track to widen the pitch to FIFA standard. I love soccer, but this is over the top, Coach Gormley was a track man, and football coach second. Leave it alone.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 9:16 pm to chalmetteowl
I agree with you LuckyTiger on Dukes. I think purple, green, and gold should be the colors due to the reasons below..
It’s one of the few names that meets all the criteria: class, uniqueness and cultural significance.
La Nouvelle-Orleans was named in 1718 for Philippe II, who was the Duke of Orleans and the Regent of France at the time.
Another duke, Alexis Romanov, the Grand Duke of Russia, is believed to be responsible for the Mardi Gras colors of purple, green and gold. During his visit to New Orleans in 1872, the men of Rex adopted the Romanov family colors of purple, green and gold, which represented justice, faith and power.
And most Carnival krewes feature dukes in their courts.
Moreover, like the Saints and Pelicans, no other professional club owns the Dukes nickname. The Albuquerque Dukes were a minor league baseball team from 1972 to 2000. Since 2003, they’ve been called the Isotopes.
Dukes is a great name!
It’s one of the few names that meets all the criteria: class, uniqueness and cultural significance.
La Nouvelle-Orleans was named in 1718 for Philippe II, who was the Duke of Orleans and the Regent of France at the time.
Another duke, Alexis Romanov, the Grand Duke of Russia, is believed to be responsible for the Mardi Gras colors of purple, green and gold. During his visit to New Orleans in 1872, the men of Rex adopted the Romanov family colors of purple, green and gold, which represented justice, faith and power.
And most Carnival krewes feature dukes in their courts.
Moreover, like the Saints and Pelicans, no other professional club owns the Dukes nickname. The Albuquerque Dukes were a minor league baseball team from 1972 to 2000. Since 2003, they’ve been called the Isotopes.
Dukes is a great name!
Posted on 3/23/14 at 9:47 pm to bayoubengal44
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