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Is there anyone here who supports fiat curreny/the Federal Reserve?

Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:44 am
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:44 am
I think that a lot of the economic problems we are facing are directly related to fiat currency and the federal resevere but I am wondering if anyone here thinks that fiat currency is a good thing

I know Obama drones, Krugman lackeys and liberals will think its a good thing but we already know they are economic illiterates

Any conservatives think its a good idea
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127265 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:46 am to
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Any conservatives think its a good idea
As opposed to what? Carrying around gold bars?
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27845 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:01 am to
I really don't know enough to challenge what they do. But I think they are doing well enough.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35168 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:09 am to
Well, GN...if you lost your job and knew it wasn't coming back and all you had left was your credit card...and you and your family were hungry...would you max it out for essentials?

They day they shut down the printing...our asses are mud! We won't be typing on this computer.

Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:15 am to
So 90% of economists are economic illiterates?

Up is down
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:17 am to
me
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5623 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:28 am to


quote:

I know Obama drones, Krugman lackeys and liberals will think its a good thing but we already know they are economic illiterates


I don't think it's possible to casty this enough.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:48 am to
I was going to chime in but see that Russian and Benny already have this covered.

OP, any time you decide you want to get rid of your worthless dollars just send me what you have.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
5585 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:56 am to
quote:

I am wondering if anyone here thinks that fiat currency is a good thing

Not me.

Constitutional Money
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:59 am to
quote:

I think that a lot of the economic problems we are facing are directly related to fiat currency and the federal resevere but I am wondering if anyone here thinks that fiat currency is a good thing


I know where you are coming from, but I agree with Russian and Benny: There's no real alternative that works in a practical setting.

If you re-phrased your question to read something to the effect of: "Has the Federal Reserve Bank become way too connected to Washington and have they strayed from their original goals?" I would agree, but the US economy can't function without a fiat currency.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:04 am to
quote:

Is there anyone here who supports fiat curreny/the Federal Reserve?



Obama will QE us into recovery!


Forward!


Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19103 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:25 am to
I'm against the "hidden tax" and inflation that a monetary system based on fiat money creates. It's a scam.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:27 am to
This isn't a left/right issue. Asking if I'm for the Federal Reserve is like asking if I'm for bridges, highways, and rails. The Fed is a necessary component of the global economic infrastructure. And even if you ask if we never should have started the Fed in the first place, that's an entirely different question than asking if we should unilaterally shut down our central bank today.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36129 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Is there anyone here who supports fiat curreny/the Federal Reserve?


Me.

quote:

I think that a lot of the economic problems we are facing are directly related to fiat currency and the federal resevere


The latter is arguable, the former is just not true.
Posted by Dalymaple
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
32 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

I think that a lot of the economic problems we are facing are directly related to fiat currency and the federal resevere but I am wondering if anyone here thinks that fiat currency is a good thing


Nothing is wrong with a fiat currency it actually economizes the use of a commodity, you can gain interest from banks issuing the currency etc. The problem comes into play when you when have a monopoly issuing the currency as opposed to competing firms.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9142 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 1:28 pm to
I can't believe Wiki hasn't showed up in this thread yet.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:28 pm to
The FED is essentially a private multi national corporation masquerading as an entity of the US government.

We have the power to create currency in our treasury, without the burden of interest.

With the FED we have the burden of interest.

It's a ponzi scheme.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:04 pm to
I would prefer the gold standard under Bretton Wood to what we have today BUT like Ron Paul and Milton Freidman I would prefer the dollar stand as a free trading commodity on it's on.

I don't think we have to have or necessarily need the Fed.

Without the Fed essentially fixing the price of dollars by setting discount rates that deposits trade for between banks we are not allowing the dollar to trade freely. If deposits were traded in unregulated auctions we would not need to peg the dollar to gold. It would be a commodity itself and it's value easy to understand relative to other commodities.

Fed proponents will say the Fed is necessary to pump money when the economy slow and to reduce money supplies when inflation threatens. That would not be necessary if the dollar traded freely. The markets can react much faster than Yellen.

Just like other commodities periods of scarcity and periods of over abundance would correct themselves through markets.

In a free market I doubt we would have even had the banking crises of 07-08. First off those banks would not have been so leveraged. Secondly liquidity would not have been an issue as money could have been had if one was willing to pay for it.

Think about the oil embargoes under Carter and Nixon. It was not the embargo that created shortages. It was the price fixing of the federal government. Both Presidents capped gas prices and nobody wanted to bring it to market. Reagan ended this stupid policy and OPEC has never been able to create a US shortage since. If money was freely priced we would never have a shortage.


This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:59 pm to
The main problem with the current monetary system is the violence that is needed to keep it going. The currency is backed by IRS thugs who demand you pay them in dollars and it is also backed by the guns of the military. But most economists overlook that and, yet, we're still expected to respect their views on the subject.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:00 pm
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