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re: 2014 Class - Commit with most upside
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:09 pm to GeauxLSU95
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:09 pm to GeauxLSU95
Sorry this is kinda fun to look back so I'm gonna slightly hijack your thread and pick a player from each class year (not including last year, too early to tell):
2012: Jalen Mills
2011: Terrance Magee
2010: Alfred Blue
2009: Morris Claiborne
2008: Lavar Edwards, Patrick Lonergan (tie)
2007: Josh Jasper
2006: Kelvin Sheppard
2012: Jalen Mills
2011: Terrance Magee
2010: Alfred Blue
2009: Morris Claiborne
2008: Lavar Edwards, Patrick Lonergan (tie)
2007: Josh Jasper
2006: Kelvin Sheppard
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:16 pm to GeauxLSU95
Harris will win the heisman as a RS Sophomore.
He'll have 3rd year Washington, Dupre, and Quinn. Fournette, Brossette, Guice (possibly) and Williams all 2 or 3rd year in the backfield. Almost everybody on the OL will have had a year's worth of starting experience.
Just thinking about it is crazy. If we can develop continuously on defense then this haul that we got this year and last year, will be at it's peak in 2016. Expect 2015-2017 as playoff years.
He'll have 3rd year Washington, Dupre, and Quinn. Fournette, Brossette, Guice (possibly) and Williams all 2 or 3rd year in the backfield. Almost everybody on the OL will have had a year's worth of starting experience.
Just thinking about it is crazy. If we can develop continuously on defense then this haul that we got this year and last year, will be at it's peak in 2016. Expect 2015-2017 as playoff years.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:21 pm to GeauxLSU95
It's all in how you define "upside."
It's kind of inherently messy when talking about HS to college players.
For example, Leonard Fournette has comparatively little "upside" when it comes to actual production on the field. There's very little chance he posts the numbers he did in HS at college or the NFL.
Now, can Leonard Fournette get better? I think so.
Now, Malachi Dupre, he's got a ton of upside production wise, since he was in such a run-oriented attack. His HS production was modest, but his physical package is elite and should result in major numbers in a more passing friendly environment.
But I'm gonna go with Davon Godchaux. Godchaux is built like a brahma bull. Seriously, he looks like a man:
He's so naturally thickly built. And he's explosive. I'm hoping he doesn't lose much from the knee injury, because I think this guy can be an All-American candidate at DT if healthy.
It's kind of inherently messy when talking about HS to college players.
For example, Leonard Fournette has comparatively little "upside" when it comes to actual production on the field. There's very little chance he posts the numbers he did in HS at college or the NFL.
Now, can Leonard Fournette get better? I think so.
Now, Malachi Dupre, he's got a ton of upside production wise, since he was in such a run-oriented attack. His HS production was modest, but his physical package is elite and should result in major numbers in a more passing friendly environment.
But I'm gonna go with Davon Godchaux. Godchaux is built like a brahma bull. Seriously, he looks like a man:
He's so naturally thickly built. And he's explosive. I'm hoping he doesn't lose much from the knee injury, because I think this guy can be an All-American candidate at DT if healthy.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:50 pm to OBUDan
I think Jacory is just scratching the surface. He won the UA skills challenge as aTE!!
Jennings has shown (albeit small sample size) that he doesnt mind targeting TEs and BHarris force fed Jacory throughout the UA practices. Him and Desean Smith will get more opportunities than past TEs
I cant wait for a red zone offense w Jacory, Malachi, Quinn, Desean Smith, aND LF
Jennings has shown (albeit small sample size) that he doesnt mind targeting TEs and BHarris force fed Jacory throughout the UA practices. Him and Desean Smith will get more opportunities than past TEs
I cant wait for a red zone offense w Jacory, Malachi, Quinn, Desean Smith, aND LF
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:55 pm to GeauxLSU95
Lf. duhhhhhh
Then ed Paris, Malachi, brumfield
Then ed Paris, Malachi, brumfield
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:00 pm to GeauxLSU95
Easily the kicker. His name is Gamble
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:58 pm to Captain Crown
I will say Brumfield.
Prediction: Will Start by Sophomore year. Earn All American Honors in his second year of playing time. Will be a 1st-2nd round pick in the NFL Draft.
Prediction: Will Start by Sophomore year. Earn All American Honors in his second year of playing time. Will be a 1st-2nd round pick in the NFL Draft.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:05 pm to GeauxLSU95
T. Valentine... that quickness with his size is scary.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:06 pm to Datbayoubengal
You really think that they'll redshirt Harris??
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:06 pm to OBUDan
Dude has the build of Mike Tyson 
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:11 pm to Tigah32
LF!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/12/14 at 9:15 pm to GeauxLSU95
As far as UPSIDE, I really like J. Washington... To me, he looks and plays alot like Mike Evans from TexAM. IF he actually plays like Evans or Jimmy Grahamish I hope CAM adjusts our TE play to more of a split out TE.
As for immediate IMPACT player from an incoming Freshman, I think we're THIN at Guard and WR... So I see Brum or Clapp making an Impact and J. Wash, Quinn, or Dupree at WR. Yes, I said Wash at WR even though I know he is listed at TE.
Obviously, this will all change after SPRING when guys go down or when one of these guys really shows out.
Geaux Tigers!
As for immediate IMPACT player from an incoming Freshman, I think we're THIN at Guard and WR... So I see Brum or Clapp making an Impact and J. Wash, Quinn, or Dupree at WR. Yes, I said Wash at WR even though I know he is listed at TE.
Obviously, this will all change after SPRING when guys go down or when one of these guys really shows out.
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 2/12/14 at 9:40 pm to GeauxLSU95
I think it's Harris. The competition at his position will make him better. His position coach is Cam Cameron. He will bulk up and still be dangerous as a dual threat because of his athleticism. He will be throwing to NFL caliber receivers and his arm strength will allow him to make all the throws.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 9:45 pm to GhostStoryTiger
Depends on how you view upside but I, as most, go by pure natural talent vs current progress. Not quite ready to proclaim who has the most because a few have quite a bit.
Harris-he's basically all upside. Hes extrenely raw and his tools are plentiful. Could be a star, could be a what if
LF-he will likely get better but he's already pretty advanced limiting his "upside" from my view. If we are talking getting to the NFL upside then he is easily #1
Dupre-farther along than you'd think but still is just scratching the surface of how good he could be. Hes got AJ Green type potential. Maybe not quite as fast but every bit the athlete
Chark-lots of room to get better. What limits his upside some for me is that he isn't a great talent. Hes a good talent
Upchurch-limited to me. Outstanding prospect but he's pretty far along developmentally. At TE he would have more upside because of body development. At wr he is limited
Washington-I think he has a ton of upside. As his body and skillset develops he could be scary good. Definte seam stretching potential at TE
Brumfield-best OL upside even if we had landed Robinson. You don't find OL with his athletic ability often. Keeping that with his body development would lead to a monster payday in the future. He is a prototype pro OG type
Teuhuma-good bit of upside. Has lots of room to get better all around. I have trouble saying he has elite upside because I think back to guys like Mingo and Michael Patterson and don't see the same natural talent in Sione.
Godchaux-he's got Ego type upside though I think Ego is slightly more talented. Ego never got close to fulfilling his at LSU, though he played well this year and flashed it but hopefully Godchaux gets close while he's here.
Valentine-has room to get much better. That said, imo, Gilmore and Bain from last year are better talents but less advanced
Alexander-all about his physical development. Similar to Tahj Jones in that sense. Has all the athletic gifts you can want but its useless if he doesn't develop physically
Gage-lots of room both skillwise and physically. Again the issue is that he is only a good natural talent, not great.
Battle- huge upside. If his body and skillset get where they can, he'll be a star.
If I had to pick one it would be Harris because he is basically all upside .
Harris-he's basically all upside. Hes extrenely raw and his tools are plentiful. Could be a star, could be a what if
LF-he will likely get better but he's already pretty advanced limiting his "upside" from my view. If we are talking getting to the NFL upside then he is easily #1
Dupre-farther along than you'd think but still is just scratching the surface of how good he could be. Hes got AJ Green type potential. Maybe not quite as fast but every bit the athlete
Chark-lots of room to get better. What limits his upside some for me is that he isn't a great talent. Hes a good talent
Upchurch-limited to me. Outstanding prospect but he's pretty far along developmentally. At TE he would have more upside because of body development. At wr he is limited
Washington-I think he has a ton of upside. As his body and skillset develops he could be scary good. Definte seam stretching potential at TE
Brumfield-best OL upside even if we had landed Robinson. You don't find OL with his athletic ability often. Keeping that with his body development would lead to a monster payday in the future. He is a prototype pro OG type
Teuhuma-good bit of upside. Has lots of room to get better all around. I have trouble saying he has elite upside because I think back to guys like Mingo and Michael Patterson and don't see the same natural talent in Sione.
Godchaux-he's got Ego type upside though I think Ego is slightly more talented. Ego never got close to fulfilling his at LSU, though he played well this year and flashed it but hopefully Godchaux gets close while he's here.
Valentine-has room to get much better. That said, imo, Gilmore and Bain from last year are better talents but less advanced
Alexander-all about his physical development. Similar to Tahj Jones in that sense. Has all the athletic gifts you can want but its useless if he doesn't develop physically
Gage-lots of room both skillwise and physically. Again the issue is that he is only a good natural talent, not great.
Battle- huge upside. If his body and skillset get where they can, he'll be a star.
If I had to pick one it would be Harris because he is basically all upside .
Posted on 2/13/14 at 12:21 am to lsufanva
I think your wrong about Godchaux, Gage, & Teuhuma mayb upchurch also. I think they will all be great LSU FB players and improve greatly from what they are expected. I mean Godchaux moves like a DE but will play tackle. These kids need to learn to use their brains and braun while on the field. I think this is why many underrated guys make it bc they know they have to work harder and be smarter than the more gifted and the more gifted take it for granted some anyway.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:46 am to Tigah32
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Easily LF. He literally has the potential to go down as the greatest tiger of all time.
This.
If you're looking for a sleeper or someone outside of LF then we can accept other answers. If not, it's inarguably LF.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:59 am to lsufanva
lsufanva, I noticed you didn't talk about Quinn, Gamble, or Clapp. So, I'll interject if you don't mind.
Quinn, does nearly everything good. But will have to continue to work on the 'little things' to stay ahead of the talent he will face in the SEC. Will get better.
Gamble, why did Les take him? To kick the ball out of the endzone EVERY DAMN TIME. Kudos for Les to think like this. Many don't realize it but for a team to start deep in their own territory everytime after an opponent's score is a big advantage.
Clapp, is a big thick kid. Haven't seen his film to be honest, but from a few I've talked to they expect him to grasp everything very quickly and begin to play a lot at least by his soph or RS soph year.
And btw, I agree with much of your analysis except for that of Upchurch. That guy, with his size and tenacity, has tons of upside imho. Otherwise GREAT post. Thanks.
Quinn, does nearly everything good. But will have to continue to work on the 'little things' to stay ahead of the talent he will face in the SEC. Will get better.
Gamble, why did Les take him? To kick the ball out of the endzone EVERY DAMN TIME. Kudos for Les to think like this. Many don't realize it but for a team to start deep in their own territory everytime after an opponent's score is a big advantage.
Clapp, is a big thick kid. Haven't seen his film to be honest, but from a few I've talked to they expect him to grasp everything very quickly and begin to play a lot at least by his soph or RS soph year.
And btw, I agree with much of your analysis except for that of Upchurch. That guy, with his size and tenacity, has tons of upside imho. Otherwise GREAT post. Thanks.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:06 am to GhostStoryTiger
We aren't thin at guard. And that's hardest position to make am early impact on. I think Brandon Harris redshirts IMO.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 5:32 am to Cousin
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:08 am to foj1981
I'm gonna say Washington cause he's one of the most athletic TEs I've seen in a while. If he puts on some mass and keeps his speed/athleticism he will be an incredible asset in our offense....
That being said, I'm really hoping the answer to this is one of our Dlineman. Probably our 2 biggest needs on defense (outside of replacing welter but I've given up on that) our that we need a great passrusher and we need to replace what we lost in the middle. Someones gotta step up, could it be a freshman??? That would be pretty cool.
That being said, I'm really hoping the answer to this is one of our Dlineman. Probably our 2 biggest needs on defense (outside of replacing welter but I've given up on that) our that we need a great passrusher and we need to replace what we lost in the middle. Someones gotta step up, could it be a freshman??? That would be pretty cool.
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