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Things Libertarians need to realize...
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:55 am
1) Fiscal issues matter way more than minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
2) Overreaching government(IRS, NSA) matters way more than minute social issues
3) If 1 and 2 dont get reigned in, social issues will be an afterthought, regardless
4) The Christian right is fighting the same battles on the same side as Libertarians on 1 and 2
5) Your strategies of ridicule and criticism are ineffective. They dont win others to your cause, they cause the other side to become defensive
6) Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think. They just need to be convinced that Libertarian viewpoints can coincide with Christian beliefs. Joining in with the left to demean the Christian right doesnt help your cause
7) Discussion of ideology alone will not accomplish anything. The GOP needs more Libertarian candidates and less Libertarian peanut galleries
8) Expecting the Christian right to ignore the teachings of the Bible(whether you think they are fairy tales or not) will result in major frustration for YOU
*I am a Libertarian leaning Christian
2) Overreaching government(IRS, NSA) matters way more than minute social issues
3) If 1 and 2 dont get reigned in, social issues will be an afterthought, regardless
4) The Christian right is fighting the same battles on the same side as Libertarians on 1 and 2
5) Your strategies of ridicule and criticism are ineffective. They dont win others to your cause, they cause the other side to become defensive
6) Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think. They just need to be convinced that Libertarian viewpoints can coincide with Christian beliefs. Joining in with the left to demean the Christian right doesnt help your cause
7) Discussion of ideology alone will not accomplish anything. The GOP needs more Libertarian candidates and less Libertarian peanut galleries
8) Expecting the Christian right to ignore the teachings of the Bible(whether you think they are fairy tales or not) will result in major frustration for YOU
*I am a Libertarian leaning Christian
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 10:57 am
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:59 am to bamafan1001
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Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think.
...Not in my experience. In fact I know some hardcore Christians that think everything should close on Sunday, by force if need be, and that alcohol should be banned in all forms on Sunday.
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Fiscal issues matter way more than minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
You say that, but once I've voted in a social ignorance spewer who tries to stop alcohol legalization on Sunday or tries to ramp up the drug war I'm more than a little pissed.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:00 am to bamafan1001
What is ironic is when "Less Government" Republicans go to the polls to restrict who can get married. And now they don't wanna talk about "social issues" anymore. Those are the same people who gave the government that power in the first place.
True, fundamental conservatives shouldn't care who gets married.
True, fundamental conservatives shouldn't care who gets married.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:02 am to bamafan1001
remeber our founding fathers the ones most conservatives love to quote knew that church and state should be kep seperate.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:02 am to bamafan1001
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1) Fiscal issues matter way more than minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
Pretty much every Libertarian I have met agrees with this. However, this has proven to not be the case.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:04 am to bamafan1001
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5) Your strategies of ridicule and criticism are ineffective. They dont win others to your cause, they cause the other side to become defensive
I honestly think this was a major reason Ron Paul never saw any real success in his presidential campaigns. His supporters were unbearable.
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Joining in with the left to demean the Christian right doesnt help your cause
But it makes them cool!
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:04 am to bamafan1001
You have a jaundiced view of libertarianism. We are not consumed with gay marriage or drug legalization. We are for freedom and that means limited govt and private property rights.
I suppose you've met some anti-Christian sorts who claim to be libertarian. But freedom means being free to worship in any way you see fit as long as it does not infringe upon my freedom.
I suppose you've met some anti-Christian sorts who claim to be libertarian. But freedom means being free to worship in any way you see fit as long as it does not infringe upon my freedom.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:06 am to bamafan1001
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4) The Christian right is fighting the same battles on the same side as Libertarians on 1 and 2
The Christian right makes up a large portion of the GOP of the last decade that has supported big government, both fiscally and socially.
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8) Expecting the Christian right to ignore the teachings of the Bible(whether you think they are fairy tales or not) will result in major frustration for YOU
As the right looks more like the left on fiscal issues, social issues become all that's left for many that don't want to vote third party. Social conservatism is dying. Good luck winning the White House without legit small government republicans,libertarians, and independents.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:09 am to bamafan1001
the Christian right should argue from a platform of Federalism, not morality, IMO.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:12 am to bamafan1001
OP does not understand libertarianism or has a skewed view of it based on limited personal interactions.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:13 am to bamafan1001
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Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think.
Plus, OP is delusional.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:23 am to bamafan1001
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1) Fiscal issues matter way more than minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
2) Overreaching government(IRS, NSA) matters way more than minute social issues
Freedom matters. Freedom matters in all forms. If you ignore the freedom of others when that freedom doesn't particularly matter to you, you are compromising the freedoms of all.
And no...I'm not gonna "get over myself".
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:34 am to bamafan1001
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4) The Christian right is fighting the same battles on the same side as Libertarians on 1 and 2
In my experience, this isn't accurate.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:15 pm to bamafan1001
quote:I heard someone the other day describe the Christian "right" person as a Libertarian with children.
Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:30 pm to bamafan1001
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:55 pm to bamafan1001
quote:Ummm…yea, we know. Libertarians aren't the ones making a big deal out of the social issues.
1) Fiscal issues matter way more than minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
quote:Agreed, but like I said, libertarians aren't the ones making a big deal out of the social issues.
) Overreaching government(IRS, NSA) matters way more than minute social issues
quote:That isn't what I've seen. If that was the case, the social issues that you are obviously referencing wouldn't even be an issue in elections.
4) The Christian right is fighting the same battles on the same side as Libertarians on 1 and 2
quote:I agree with this.
5) Your strategies of ridicule and criticism are ineffective. They dont win others to your cause, they cause the other side to become defensive
quote:And the Christian right needs to realize that the government isn't an extension of their religion. If their religion does not support a certain action, they don't need to legislate it away. They need to simply not partake in said action as their religion states. Pretty simple.
6) Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think. They just need to be convinced that Libertarian viewpoints can coincide with Christian beliefs. Joining in with the left to demean the Christian right doesnt help your cause
quote:And I don't want them to ignore the teachings of their bible. What I want is for them to quit trying to legislate the teachings of their bible. That is a fairly straightforward and simple concept.
8) Expecting the Christian right to ignore the teachings of the Bible(whether you think they are fairy tales or not) will result in major frustration for YOU
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:58 pm to bamafan1001
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7) Discussion of ideology alone will not accomplish anything. The GOP needs more Libertarian candidates and less Libertarian peanut galleries
Ill end with this. Yall have a great day
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:07 pm to bamafan1001
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The GOP needs more Libertarian candidates and less Libertarian peanut galleries
Best line from your rant.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 1:11 pm to bamafan1001
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minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
let me guess you consider abortion a part of this?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 2:09 pm to bamafan1001
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Fiscal issues matter way more than minute social issues(gay marriage etc)
You cannot have economic freedom without social freedom.
With that said, the Christian right/neo-conservative movement is a joke and as long as the republicans keep pandering to them they will never will never take back the white house.
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