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re: Does it matter what the "Founders intentions" were?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 9:38 pm to bamafan1001
Posted on 1/26/14 at 9:38 pm to bamafan1001
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OP I still dont get your point. Do you really believe no government is a viable way for people to live?
I think it was the way we're meant to live.
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 9:42 pm to Patrick O Rly
yes
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 9:48 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Where else would I live? I was born here. My entire family is here. Does that mean implied consent to the government and everything it does? What gives them legitimate claim to rule over everyone? Because you spent a butt load on a military (a size which we don't even need) that I didn't ask you to, I'm obliged to be in servitude and assume the debt that was used to purchase and upkeep it?
There is literally an entire world you can live in that isn't america, and you can go anytime. But you are obligated to live by the laws of the country while in it. That is implied consent.
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What does that have to do with anything? You think I don't want firemen?
Do you have enough to run your own private firefighting company?
IT isn't exactly cost effective, and it doesn't work if not everyone pitches in.
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Taxes are immoral. Monopolies are immoral. Paying for what you use isn't.
Taxes aren't immoral. Paying for what you use isn't effective.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 9:50 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I think it was the way we're meant to live.
I guess if you ignore human nature. Anarchy will ultimately result in the same thing that is happenning now: the person who has the most and biggest guns ruling you.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:03 pm to Patrick O Rly
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OP I still dont get your point. Do you really believe no government is a viable way for people to live?
I think it was the way we're meant to live.
Why you have to have rules.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:17 pm to OldTigahFot
No government =/= no rules
In fact, statist government = no rules
In fact, statist government = no rules
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:27 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:who would enforce the rules if there is no government?
No government =/= no rules
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:27 pm to SammyTiger
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There is literally an entire world you can live in that isn't america, and you can go anytime. But you are obligated to live by the laws of the country while in it. That is implied consent.
No it's not, and besides, I'd like to make this place better. It won't be done through the political process. It will happen in spite of it.
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Do you have enough to run your own private firefighting company?
No.
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IT isn't exactly cost effective, and it doesn't work if not everyone pitches in.
There are volunteer fire departments, and I wouldn't mind having a subscription/membership to a firefighting service.
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Paying for what you use isn't effective.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The market would figure it out.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:37 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:Who would be there to whip up "patriotism" for the purpose of fighting the boogeyman so the elite could pocket its next fortune?
No government
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:16 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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Everything in the constitution speaks to limited central government and states rights supersceefing the central government powers
That was the Articles of Confederation, and it failed.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:18 pm to Patrick O Rly
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No it's not, and besides, I'd like to make this place better. It won't be done through the political process. It will happen in spite of it.
You say it isn't, i say it is. Purely philosophical, and realistically i win because cops i guess.
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There are volunteer fire departments, and I wouldn't mind having a subscription/membership to a firefighting service.
I am aware, but what is the biggest sustainable area that could be serviced by a volunteer fire department?
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Paying for what you use isn't effective.
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Paying for what you use isn't effective.
There are things that should be maintained when not used. say the military, kinda fricked if you don't have one till you need it.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:48 pm to SammyTiger
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I am aware, but what is the biggest sustainable area that could be serviced by a volunteer fire department?
Do you even know how markets work?
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There are things that should be maintained when not used. say the military, kinda fricked if you don't have one till you need it.
Next you will be asking, "Who will build the roads?"
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:04 am to Dalymaple
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Do you even know how markets work?
I just cannot think of an effective business model for a private fire department.
I don't like the idea of a private police force.
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Next you will be asking, "Who will build the roads?"
I understand private companies could build roads, but frick getting around if everything was a toll road.
I would be totally down to let people skip out of taxes on the condition they use no public services or partake in enjoyment of public property.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:57 am to LongueCarabine
You sir are wrong.
No whete do tje feds have a right to tax wages
Income & wages ate 2 separate things.
No whete do tje feds have a right to tax wages
Income & wages ate 2 separate things.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:34 am to SammyTiger
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I just cannot think of an effective business model for a private fire department.
It’s impossible to predict these things, but I would assume the homeowner would pay a set amount per year to a private fire fighting company and if the need ever arose they would come out to extinguish the fire.
Honestly, if you’re truly interested in how a society could function without the state and not just trolling check out David Friedman’s book – The Machinery of Freedom.
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 6:26 am
Posted on 1/27/14 at 2:59 am to Dalymaple
quote:citizen militias with ARs duh
who would enforce the rules if there is no government?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 5:22 am to Patrick O Rly
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I've shared that many times. Lots of these guys don't like it. So I thought I'm make a thread for it.
The Constitution was drafted for the intent of a responsible citizenry. Incrementally, lefties have succeeded in turning our citizenry into an irresponsible sum. Do the math!
It's not The Constitution rather The People.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 5:26 am to SammyTiger
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Taxes aren't immoral.
At the rate we're paying it most certainly is. It's a by-product of outta control spending but you probably don't see that immoral either.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 7:20 am to Bayou
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At the rate we're paying it most certainly is. It's a by-product of outta control spending but you probably don't see that immoral either.
I have said before, i don't think taxes are inherently immoral, but they way we spend them, and ho much we collect is a different story.
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