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re: Pels win, pels win!!
Posted on 1/20/14 at 9:55 pm to VOR
Posted on 1/20/14 at 9:55 pm to VOR
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I'm saying the chances are very, very small that we get anyone out of this draft.
They are small, but not some one and a million chance like you are trying to make it out to be.
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We're better off developing what we have, playing hard every night
Anthony Davis has had his best stretch of games as a Pel and most of it was during a 7 game losing streak.
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hoping we can move an asset and get something in return.
The only player that we have where a team wouldn't try to lowball us is Davis.
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We are not as locked in as you think
If we don't finish with a top 5 pick we are.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 9:57 pm
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 9:58 pm to Broski
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The only player that we have where a team wouldn't try to lowball us is Davis.
Every trade involves one team trying to low ball another. It's called negotiation.
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If we don't finish with a top 5 pick we are.
We'll agree to disagree. I think we have several assets that can be moved in a way that could improve the roster without busting the cap. Oh, and that includes Gordon.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:00 pm to VOR
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Every trade involves one team trying to low ball another. It's called negotiation.
List the players on this team where we could get close to equal value for a position of interest in return.
And then list the players that you would be willing to trade.
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Oh, and that includes Gordon
You mean the guy that could be locked in with a max contract for 2 more years?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:10 pm to Broski
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List the players on this team where we could get close to equal value for a position of interest in return.
And then list the players that you would be willing to trade.
Seriously?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:11 pm to VOR
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Seriously?
Seriously.
You say we have assets to move, list them.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:22 pm to Broski
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You say we have assets to move, list them.
Gordon, Anderson, Aminu, Miller, Evans, etc. If you say they can't be moved, you're just being obstinate.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:24 pm to VOR
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Anderson
Can't trade injured players brah.
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Aminu, Miller
Don't make enough or produce much of anything.
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Gordon
Like we've been trying to do since last season?
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Evans
Is he someone you think parting with would be beneficial for the team?
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:35 pm to Broski
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Anderson
Can't trade injured players brah.
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Aminu, Miller
Don't make enough or produce much of anything.
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Gordon
Like we've been trying to do since last season?
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Evans
Is he someone you think parting with would be beneficial for the team?
Dude, there are any number of combinations or situations that are possible. And this doesn't have to happen tomorrow. We may be looking at the off season. I don't know. I've just watched the league and this franchise long enough to know that our roster and cap situation is not as dire as you portray it to be. I'm not paid enough to go on the web and propose specific trades for you. Sorry.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:42 am to VOR
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I'm still looking for objective evidence that conscious tanking has ever really worked in the NBA
Tanking is rarely defined properly. The 98 Spurs did not tank. Their two best players missed the entire season due to injury and they got lucky in the draft. Those Spurs were contenders, they didnt throw away a season a year out for a shout at Duncan.
OKC didnt tank, they built their team around two top 5 draft picks (Durant a HOF player they may not have drafted if they had “won" the lottery and Green) and let them grow; accepting the many frustrating nights that came because of that youth, while hoping for a big pay off years later.
The Pelicans aren't tanking. 2 of their best players are out. A third is hobbled. This is not a “sore thigh" scenario.
Here's a link looking at top 5 picks from the last decade or so, the hits and misses, and is it worth tossing a season?
Spoiler: It isn't a great success rate.
LINK
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:22 am to corndeaux
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Spoiler: It isn't a great success rate.
Bingo!
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:35 am to DeionDeion
quote:Too bad it is a four quarter game.....
We are the best frist quarter team FACT
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 8:37 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:11 am to TreyAllDay
One thing about "tanking" is that it is a concept ripe for rabblerousers to do their thing... It involves assigning intentions, which can't really be verified... While contraverted by data, it provides and conceptually simple "magic bullet" way to get a title (like Cleveland).
The relevant things in terms of draft order are win total and luck.
Arguing about intentions, ignoring the luck factor, and completely disregarding the rest of building a winner is how the posters who do not seem to post that often when the is doing relatively well get traction on this. Well, one way.
The relevant things in terms of draft order are win total and luck.
Arguing about intentions, ignoring the luck factor, and completely disregarding the rest of building a winner is how the posters who do not seem to post that often when the is doing relatively well get traction on this. Well, one way.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:26 am to corndeaux
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Here's a link looking at top 5 picks from the last decade or so, the hits and misses, and is it worth tossing a season?
The season's already tossed. I think the real question is what do Tankers actually want? Most of us seem on board with dumping Gordon for non tank reasons. So beyond that what are tankers willing to sacrifice? It's easy to say "we should just lose more", it's hard to actually do that with players and coaches fighting for current jobs and future pay checks. Would they dump Reke? Would they sit rather than develop AD like that stupid ESPN tanking article suggested? What more can be done to tank that would only affect this season considering it can only really be done at a personnel management level and not a coaching level.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:07 am to TigerinATL
The idea that the season is tossed is a disrepect to what it takes to win a title. Titles are not won in a single year in that thr groundwork is laid over years, at least in a mature league.
NBA minutes are valuable. You can not waste them, and while a win is a precious good, they are not the only benefits that can be purchased with minutes.
NBA minutes are valuable. You can not waste them, and while a win is a precious good, they are not the only benefits that can be purchased with minutes.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
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The season's already tossed
I guess. Playoffs were always a long shot.
The injuries suck, but shite happens sometimes. The Wolves had the same thing happen last year. The Blazers had many years before them. You don't carpet bomb the roster because of bad luck one winter. Especially with a guy like Davis playing all out. Now more than ever it is crystal clear, this team's future it's all about him.
They can work on developing the still very young talent on the roster. A good chance they can find guys that can help or showcase players and flip them for better assets a la Ayon, Vasquez, Lopez.
The disappointment for me is the injuries ruin the evaluation process of the core guys. Time on the court together for such a young group was a huge part of the plan.
Not too broken up about the playoffs or final win total.
The Pelicans may play themselves into a top 5 pick if, god forbid, they have any more injuries. But tanking is not on the minds of the coaches or players, and, given Benson's comments, the organization
Posted on 1/21/14 at 11:28 am to corndeaux
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You don't carpet bomb the roster because of bad luck one winter.
I completely agree, I'm very anti tank. What I meant by the season is tossed is that we can focus on development rather than wins. Less Stiemsma and more Withey. I'd much rather win 33 games because AD and the rest of the youngins are showing signs of improvement than win 25 because guys aren't improving, finish 5th and then get jumped in the lottery. That would probably be the worst possible outcome to an already disastrous season.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 1/21/14 at 11:29 am to TigerinATL
quote:that is what I consider tanking. when I say I want to tank this is what I mean
we can focus on development rather than wins.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 11:30 am to Fearthehat0307
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when I say I want to tank this is what I mean
Well we aren't bad enough to win only 7 more games without injuries to AD/Gordon/Reke.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 11:31 am to TigerinATL
quote:I never said I want to tank this year. I was heavily for tanking the year we got AD and caught a lot of shite for it.
Well we aren't bad enough to win only 7 more games without injuries to AD/Gordon/Reke.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:17 am to TigerinATL
Yep.
We've seen how young players need a lot of time to adapt to the league the last two years. Tankers are typically the ones who were most loudly demanding playoffs and wins. I'm not sure how they reconcile that desire with the need to add a 19 yo to the roster to create a winner.
We've seen how young players need a lot of time to adapt to the league the last two years. Tankers are typically the ones who were most loudly demanding playoffs and wins. I'm not sure how they reconcile that desire with the need to add a 19 yo to the roster to create a winner.
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