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re: this f****** C position - AD and ryno aren't a good fit
Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:52 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:52 am to TigerinATL
He's a 6'11", long, bearded 250lb+ man with a fram to add more mass. According to nba.com, he has held opponents to 46.1% at rim
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He has been forced to defend PFs with drummond around, and he isn't the quickest most explosive defender, but that's why he'd be defending Cs here and AD could focus on PFs and help blocks. Guy's averaging 9 boards a game in that crowded detroit paint and wouldn't get manhandled by Deandre jordan or jj hickson for absurd fg % s.
He played well with AD at the team USA camp. See how he had a nice bloxk and allowed AD to run the fast break like he should be doing in this video
As far as offense goes, monroe draws a lot of doible teams and hits a lot of shots and hooks from a few feet out, giving AD space to get in his rebounds.
It would be a great pairing all around.
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He has been forced to defend PFs with drummond around, and he isn't the quickest most explosive defender, but that's why he'd be defending Cs here and AD could focus on PFs and help blocks. Guy's averaging 9 boards a game in that crowded detroit paint and wouldn't get manhandled by Deandre jordan or jj hickson for absurd fg % s.
He played well with AD at the team USA camp. See how he had a nice bloxk and allowed AD to run the fast break like he should be doing in this video
As far as offense goes, monroe draws a lot of doible teams and hits a lot of shots and hooks from a few feet out, giving AD space to get in his rebounds.
It would be a great pairing all around.
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:58 am to MrBlue105
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Guy's averaging 9 boards a game
Yeah, he'd definitely help on the boards, he just needs to be able to lean on the Gasols while not being a liability in PnR defense. I'm not against Anderson for Monroe like I am Anderson for Asik, I just need to know he won't be a defensive liability.
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
He's had some trouble with PnR because he shouldn't be guarding PFs. Even if you disregars the above defensive impact stats, can he really be more of a liability on defense than ryno at 4 + AD at 5 or Jason Smith starting at 5? Holiday and evans can do wonderfully staying on their guard.
Talk to your people tiger, make it happen and make EG go away at the same time.
Talk to your people tiger, make it happen and make EG go away at the same time.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:14 am to hendersonshands
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The overreaction is stupid but Ryan Anderson is not the best 3 point shooter in the league. Don't think it's arguable either.
And he won't be as long as those two guys in the bay area are playing ball.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:15 am to MrBlue105
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"On last fake trade tweet: Detroit gets Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson + Jeff Withey; N.O. gets Greg Monroe + the Villanueva/Stuckey expirings."
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons)November 16, 2013
As much as I am against trading Ryan, I wouldn't mind this at all.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:46 am to TigerinATL
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It's wrong to think that any decent 3 point shooter can replace Anderson. There is a lot more to 3 point shooting than 3 point percentage. What Anderson does that makes him unique and elite, is he can manufacture 3 point shots. His combination of height and quick release means you don't have to work very hard to get him an open look. Morrow needs to have plays run where the defense forgets about him, Anderson just needs the defense to look away for a split second. That's a huge difference. Comparing Anderson and Morrow is like comparing Jimmy Graham and Lance Moore. Yeah Lance Moore can get open, make catches and score, but the defense isn't going to change its scheme for him
So, is what Anderson does anymore special than let's say what Kyle Korver does? They are both 3pt specialist, but just because Anderson has the ability (height) to play PF that makes him more unique and more valuable?
So even though Korver is a better shooter and just a better all around player, he is a lesser player cause he is 3 inches shorter. That's what you are saying in a nutshell.. right?
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:56 am to brmark70816
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So, is what Anderson does anymore special than let's say what Kyle Korver does? They are both 3pt specialist, but just because Anderson has the ability (height) to play PF that makes him more unique and more valuable?
So even though Korver is a better shooter and just a better all around player, he is a lesser player cause he is 3 inches shorter. That's what you are saying in a nutshell.. right?
ya, cause height doesn't matter in basketball
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:58 am to drake20
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this f****** C position - AD and ryno aren't a good fit
AD was playing his first game back against the most athletic frontcourt in the NBA. That's a pretty tiny sample size. We are also missing our backup C in Steimsma, which is even more glaring against teams like the Clippers.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 10:15 am to brmark70816
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So even though Korver is a better shooter and just a better all around player, he is a lesser player cause he is 3 inches shorter. That's what you are saying in a nutshell.. right?
I am not familiar enough with Korver to give a good answer. My basic premise is that Anderson does not need to much of a set up to make 3s like Morrow does. Just like some players can create their own shots in the post, Anderson with his height and quick release can essentially create his own 3 point opportunities where most players could not. If Korver has a quick release he can possibly be in the same category, Morrow is not, even though he's a higher percentage 3 point shooter than Anderson. Steph Curry is obviously the best example of a shorter player capable of manufacturing effective 3 point shots.
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 10:16 am
Posted on 12/19/13 at 10:55 am to ShamelessPel
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We are also missing our backup C in Steimsma, which is even more glaring against teams like the Clippers.
Yes. Steam is on the team to give quality defensive minutes against teams with dominant frontcourts.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:01 am to brmark70816
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So even though Korver is a better shooter and just a better all around player
Wait, what?? Korver is not a better all around player. Maybe a better shooter but Anderson is better at creating and a better rebounder.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:12 am to HandGrenade
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Wait, what?? Korver is not a better all around player. Maybe a better shooter but Anderson is better at creating and a better rebounder.
Better rebounder is a pretty subjective term. Anderson does average more rebounds. But he has one of the worst rebounding rates of any front court player in the league. So he is not a good rebounder for his position. He's actually really bad at it. The creating part I'm not sure about either. He averages less than an assist a game. If his shooting was opening so many lanes for guys, you'd think he might take advantage and get some easy dimes here and there. Maybe it's one of those things you can't really track..
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:13 am to MrBlue105
Greg Monroe would totally shore up the defensive problems on this team. I mean his current frontcourt tandem just held perennial MVP candidate Jason Smith to 22 points and 16 boards.
Easy to overreact after one game. Deandre Jordan is terrible, and was allowed to mug our guys in the paint all game long. Having an elite 3pt shooter as your PF is a huge advantage on offense. The Pelicans average 10 points per 100 possessions better with Anderson on the floor. They allow about 5 pts/100 more with him on the floor. I'm no genius mathematician, but I think that means they have been better with him on the floor. The "Big 5" lineup has scored 125pts/100 possessions this season. That is the BEST offensive rating in the entire league for a unit that has played more than 48 minutes together. To put that number in perspective, the Trailblazers are currently leading the league in Ortg at 110.04. Anderson is a liability on defense, but as Davis gets better, that will matter less and less. The defense should improve, but it does not need to be dominant. The offensive firepower of that group is going to be downright scary when/if they gel. Let's give them a little time before we decide to blow it up.
Easy to overreact after one game. Deandre Jordan is terrible, and was allowed to mug our guys in the paint all game long. Having an elite 3pt shooter as your PF is a huge advantage on offense. The Pelicans average 10 points per 100 possessions better with Anderson on the floor. They allow about 5 pts/100 more with him on the floor. I'm no genius mathematician, but I think that means they have been better with him on the floor. The "Big 5" lineup has scored 125pts/100 possessions this season. That is the BEST offensive rating in the entire league for a unit that has played more than 48 minutes together. To put that number in perspective, the Trailblazers are currently leading the league in Ortg at 110.04. Anderson is a liability on defense, but as Davis gets better, that will matter less and less. The defense should improve, but it does not need to be dominant. The offensive firepower of that group is going to be downright scary when/if they gel. Let's give them a little time before we decide to blow it up.
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:26 am to brmark70816
I meant better at creating his own shot. So I guess I was saying he's a better scorer.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:34 am to HandGrenade
What about doing a three way trade with Philadelphia? I read somewhere Philadelphia is considering trading Evan Turner for some expirings and a first round pick.
Pelicans get Monroe and Turner and one of Detroit's expirings.
Pistons get Gordon and Anderson
Philly gets Detroit 1st round pick and the other of Detroit's expiring contracts.
Pelicans get Monroe and Turner and one of Detroit's expirings.
Pistons get Gordon and Anderson
Philly gets Detroit 1st round pick and the other of Detroit's expiring contracts.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 11:49 am to takeflight23
I'm a bit hesitant to trade for Monroe since he's a restricted free agent. You know some team out there will give him a max deal.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 1:09 pm to WB504
We don't need a center. I'd rather the team commit to more small ball. I mean, the Miami Heat do it and they've won what? Two straight championships in 3 finals apps. I'm not saying we are as good as the Heat are or have 3 top 30 guys. I'm saying we have the personnel to run a badass small ball lineup. There's a way to exploit other teams with it, and considering our strength is the back court, it should be worth a try
Posted on 12/19/13 at 2:48 pm to brmark70816
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So, is what Anderson does anymore special than let's say what Kyle Korver does? They are both 3pt specialist, but just because Anderson has the ability (height) to play PF that makes him more unique and more valuable?
So even though Korver is a better shooter and just a better all around player, he is a lesser player cause he is 3 inches shorter. That's what you are saying in a nutshell.. right?
Come on. Korver is not a better player than Anderson and never was.
Also, when Monroe was playing Center he was one of the worst defensive Centers in the league.
He is a good player, but when you are looking for a defender at the C spot so you can keep Davis at PF then Monroe getting paid a max contract is not the answer.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 4:01 pm to TigerinATL
Why would we trade for another big to get touches in the post. That essentially takes touches away from AD-who isn't going to be a 3pt shooter. This team will just develop as AD gets bigger and moves into the 5 position. The guy is a shot blocker you need him near the rim. Covering hybird/stretch 4s is going to bring him away from the basket. He must be the rim protector going forward. Unless a Sabonis/Marc Gasol type player comes through,but those are few and far between.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 4:26 pm to RonBurgundy
Honestly, the perimeter gets too many touches. We need a post option to open things up for the perimeter as Davis isn't that type of player right now. As far as taking touches away from Davis, our backcourt already does that and yet Davis is doing just fine. Drummond is getting 13-14 points a game due to Monroe commanding attention. A guy like Monroe works because he's a very good passer with great vision. If it were any other big, it'd agree with you.
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