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Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:27 am to Chicken
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And when it does, Alabama will decline. It is a cycle. Here is why:
1. Saban won't be there forever. And his successor will struggle to fill his legendary shoes just like Zook did at Florida, Solich did at Nebraska, etc. If he doesn't leave this year to take the Texas job, he will probably be retiring in the near future.
2. AJ McCarron won't be back. He has been the key to their run. He is the ultimate game manager, and his consistency is the reason they have only lost twice since he has been a starter. The next QB for Bama, regardless of the number of recruiting stars he had coming out of high school, will also have big shoes to fill.
In the 1995 season, after Nebraska blew out undefeated Florida, 62-24 in the Fiesta Bowl to win their second straight title, I remember thinking that Nebraska had this dominant program that would never be dethroned. Two years later, he retired, and Nebraska's program has been on a roller coaster ever since...just like Alabama's program was after Bear Bryant retired.
Outside of the last quarter and a half of this past game, LSU has been neck and neck with Alabama...hopefully Les will go back to the drawing board and draw up a plan that beefs up our front 7 on defense, speed up our DB's, and lights a fire under our offensive line. Whether that is a strength and conditioning issue, a work ethic issue or an assistant coach issue, I don't know.
I do know that we went from being 13-1 to 10-3 and now 7-3 through 10 games of this season, with tough games still to come. That's a decline, albeit not as drastic as some chicken littles like to proclaim. But it is a decline and it is critical that Les rights the ship next season.
Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
I agree but the 3 changes we need is to get new OL, TE, and DB coaches.
Possibly bring back ron cooper, bring in a OL coach the Cam recommends or get that OL coach that Bama had last year. Also, bring in a TE coach that has NFL experience.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:28 am to Chicken
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Don't fret, LSU fans...this run by Alabama will end soon...
Too bad LSU's already did
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:32 am to Chicken
I can sleep at night now with that tidbit. 
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:33 am to Chicken
Chicken I'm less concerned about what Bama does or doesn't do than I am about what LSU does. Forget Alabama and Saban; we need to get our own house in order before we worry about them. There's plenty of competition in the SEC to go around, particularly in the west. If Bama starts to decline, there are other teams like Auburn or A&M that can step into that void. LSU can too but not the way things have been going. You asked what we need to improve so here are my answers.
1. Consistency first and foremost. The frustrating thing about the Bama game was that in the first half you could see that LSU has the talent to hang with Alabama but mistakes prevented us from doing so. Our best is as good as their best but our worst is a lot worse than their worst. Somehow we've got to play more consistently and minimize mistakes.
2. Our players need to put the team first. Sometimes our players appear to be a little selfish. They've got to realize that it's not all about them, it's all about their teammates. I could be wrong about this observation but that's the way it looks to me.
3. Embrace the big game. In 2011 one of the things I was most proud of is the way that no game was too big for them. They played loose and relaxed with a lot of confidence. (Some would call that swagger.) Now they seem more timid. Afraid to lose more than seizing the moment to win.
4. The most obvious of all barely deserves mention because everybody already knows this: we have to refill the coffers with talent. The drain in talent (and perhaps more importantly, experience) we suffered sticks out like a dead nun in a snowbank. We're looking at a couple of outstanding recruiting classes coming up and our class last year was no slouch either. Our defensive problems this year have been the result of one so-so recruiting class coupled with the perfect storm of early exits to the NFL. The pipeline had too much removed from one end and not enough replenished at the other. This problem will take care of itself in time.
1. Consistency first and foremost. The frustrating thing about the Bama game was that in the first half you could see that LSU has the talent to hang with Alabama but mistakes prevented us from doing so. Our best is as good as their best but our worst is a lot worse than their worst. Somehow we've got to play more consistently and minimize mistakes.
2. Our players need to put the team first. Sometimes our players appear to be a little selfish. They've got to realize that it's not all about them, it's all about their teammates. I could be wrong about this observation but that's the way it looks to me.
3. Embrace the big game. In 2011 one of the things I was most proud of is the way that no game was too big for them. They played loose and relaxed with a lot of confidence. (Some would call that swagger.) Now they seem more timid. Afraid to lose more than seizing the moment to win.
4. The most obvious of all barely deserves mention because everybody already knows this: we have to refill the coffers with talent. The drain in talent (and perhaps more importantly, experience) we suffered sticks out like a dead nun in a snowbank. We're looking at a couple of outstanding recruiting classes coming up and our class last year was no slouch either. Our defensive problems this year have been the result of one so-so recruiting class coupled with the perfect storm of early exits to the NFL. The pipeline had too much removed from one end and not enough replenished at the other. This problem will take care of itself in time.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:33 am to Chicken
I like it 
The crimson necks will reach their own decline in the not too distant future
The crimson necks will reach their own decline in the not too distant future
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:37 am to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
I think the offensive line play has to improve
Defense is young and should get better next year
We really got decimated with all the early exits to the draft last year. If just 2 of those guys on defense would have stayed we would be in good shape.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:59 am to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
1. Recruit more QBs like Mett and go away from dual threat guys.
2. Find those unsung LBs we are now realizing were vital, while also finding the next 'face' of the LSU D like a Lavalais, TM7, PP7, Dorsey, Jones, Landry.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:07 pm to Chicken
Chicken, while I agree that Bama's run will eventually come to an end, I think a lot of people's issues with Les and LSU's current predicament isn't just about Bama's success but seeing LSU teams that are undisciplined and not showing improvement as the season has gone on, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Honestly, Les has to get rid of Raymond in my opinion. It's not a talent issue at DB right now. It isn't as great as before, but his coaching is just bad. DBs have all regressed with him at the helm.
2nd thing is to make the tough decision with Chavis. I think he's done and while he's been a great DC in his time, it's just up.
3rd is to not screw up so badly on recruiting. They've recruited poorly by not stocking up at positions across the board instead of recruiting in spurts and bunches at positions. Our depth suffered because LSU waits until 1 year to recruit 10 LBers, and takes 1 DL.
That is horrible management and has to be fixed.
Also, fire Ensminger and replace him with a defensive coach because God knows we've ignored using our TEs for the last 3 years.
Honestly, Les has to get rid of Raymond in my opinion. It's not a talent issue at DB right now. It isn't as great as before, but his coaching is just bad. DBs have all regressed with him at the helm.
2nd thing is to make the tough decision with Chavis. I think he's done and while he's been a great DC in his time, it's just up.
3rd is to not screw up so badly on recruiting. They've recruited poorly by not stocking up at positions across the board instead of recruiting in spurts and bunches at positions. Our depth suffered because LSU waits until 1 year to recruit 10 LBers, and takes 1 DL.
That is horrible management and has to be fixed.
Also, fire Ensminger and replace him with a defensive coach because God knows we've ignored using our TEs for the last 3 years.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:07 pm to Chicken
LINK
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Several players said the day Gundy replaced Les Miles as head coach he established guidelines that players attend class, be on time for team meetings, adhere to workout routines, represent the program well and play hard.
i remember reading this back in the day and thinking---i hope miles learned from his time at OkSt. thinking he didn't now.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:08 pm to Chicken
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I do know that we went from being 13-1 to 10-3 and now 7-3 through 10 games of this season, with tough games still to come. That's a decline, albeit not as drastic as some chicken littles like to proclaim. But it is a decline and it is critical that Les rights the ship next season.
Agreed
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:10 pm to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
#1 - coaching personnel improvements with Brick, Raymond, and Stud out...sorry Corey:(
#2 - Shoring up recruiting, specifically lineman and backers.
#3 - Obsessive coaching of good tackling technique
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:17 pm to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
Fire Stud, and what the hello purpose does Ensminger serve? go ahead and can him too.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:36 pm to Chicken
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2. AJ McCarron won't be back. He has been the key to their run. He is the ultimate game manager, and his consistency is the reason they have only lost twice since he has been a starter. The next QB for Bama, regardless of the number of recruiting stars he had coming out of high school, will also have big shoes to fill.
This.
We were in that game and actually better than Bama right up to the point that AJ started hitting his passes.
I doubt that the next QB, no matter how talented, will be able to fill AJ's shoes.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:49 pm to Chicken
How about recruiting linebackers, especially inside, that weigh more than 215-220 lbs.?
That is where I would start.
That is where I would start.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:50 pm to Chicken
No. It won't end soon, unless the NCAA finally stops the $$$ from flowing in.
Remember, it is not Bama does on the field (with the exception of 2013 so far) it is what they do off the field that puts them on a different level.
Remember, it is not Bama does on the field (with the exception of 2013 so far) it is what they do off the field that puts them on a different level.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 12:58 pm to Chicken
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2. AJ McCarron won't be back.
i agree this will be big, i think he is the best QB in the Country and the fact that he hasnt been in the topic of of the HT is retarded, he is poised, confident, mobile, good arm and has great timing, i would spend a 1st round draft pick on him, i think he will be a hell of a pro...
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Saban won't be there forever
yeah, but i bet he is going to be there a while, now i do feel Texas has a chance at him i think it s a long shot...and i beleive he has another 5-10 years...
1 Major change I want to see is in recruiting, i do not want to see another 5 star player from this state sign with anyone else...it should be on lock down. fact is Cameron Robinson and the safety from last year signed with Bama for one reason, a championship...You cannot lose those guys to other schools!! Both will hurt badly in the future....As good as a recruiter as some say Miles is (I dont really agree with it, I think its more the University) I still believe recruits think that we will not be be in the national title hunt until Saban is gone from Bama...
write that down, print it, quote it, i dont give a shite...
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:01 pm to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
1. Involve the tight ends. This strengthens an already formidable passing game.
2. Run some misdirections. Look what it did for Bama last Saturday night. We have a very capable stable of running backs.
3. Designate someone on the sideline to manage the fricking clock. This borders on the ridiculous.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:07 pm to Chicken
I agree with the Cycle theory. Bama has been lucky to hire a brilliant coach and give him carte blanche and have a weak permanent east division opponent in Tennessee while we have a strong one in Florida. And of coarse they have money and mystique and undo power over the SEC Comissioner going for them.
But I see the tables turning somewhat. Tennessee is going to get stronger and Florida seems to be getting weaker. Saban may retire or move on and Bama's new AD is a fossil. I'm patient. It's not time to hit the panic button. Also Miles is fun and Saban is a wet blanket.
But I see the tables turning somewhat. Tennessee is going to get stronger and Florida seems to be getting weaker. Saban may retire or move on and Bama's new AD is a fossil. I'm patient. It's not time to hit the panic button. Also Miles is fun and Saban is a wet blanket.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:09 pm to Chicken
we need to pay our recruits more like Aub, OM and Bama do
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