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The gap is on the sidelines, not in talent.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:56 pm
Saban is three times better than Miles, that's where the disparity exist. Case in point. I can name many players from LSU that are playing well in the NFL. Not so many from Bama. Where is the development of players for Myles. The LSU coaches or their schemes hinder their players in college. Also, Chavis with those 215pd LB's is killing me. You can't stop Bama's rushing attack with smallish LB's. LSU's defensive coaches philosophies have to change in order to beat Bama.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 10:58 pm to RakeDog24
I'm ok with smallish LBs, but they need to be fast. I just don't see speed or size here.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:02 pm to RakeDog24
What's weird is that chavis's philosophy has worked pretty well against Bama. This is the first game we have let them put up real points.
It's a talent gap. This year
It's a talent gap. This year
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:04 pm to RakeDog24
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I can name many players from LSU that are playing well in the NFL. Not so many from Bama
Where is the development of players by Saban?
Yes, there is a big gap in talent, go check ESPN recruiting classes in the last 4 years.
This post was edited on 11/10/13 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:28 pm to RakeDog24
I don't blame game time coaching for the loss. The players just aren't as good and made bad mistakes.
If you want to blame coaching for not having the talent to beat Bama then that's fair, but 120 other teams can say the same thing.
If you want to blame coaching for not having the talent to beat Bama then that's fair, but 120 other teams can say the same thing.
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:51 pm to RakeDog24
The gap is in the talent on defense, bama is way superior in talent on that side of the ball. We have comparable skill players on offense, but our offensive line is not even close. Defense wins championships Les and Nick know that's the formula.
This post was edited on 11/10/13 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 11/10/13 at 11:54 pm to RakeDog24
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Saban is three times better than Miles, that's where the disparity exist. Case in point. I can name many players from LSU that are playing well in the NFL. Not so many from Bama. Where is the development of players for Myles. The LSU coaches or their schemes hinder their players in college. Also, Chavis with those 215pd LB's is killing me. You can't stop Bama's rushing attack with smallish LB's. LSU's defensive coaches philosophies have to change in order to beat Bama.
The gap is on both the sidelines and talent which directly goes back to the sidelines.
Les can't have it both ways. A great recruiter can never use the lack of talent excuse. Period. If he's so great, we'll have the talent to play well.
The fact is the coaching is not just mediocre but bad, especially at the DB and LBer positions. No excuse for every DB regressing that has been on the team for more than this season. No reason for ever LBer to regress. DL for the most part didn't progress outside of Hunter.
All leading back to the sidelines.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:47 am to RakeDog24
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Saban is three times better than Miles
Regular season head to head is 4-3. So that is 3x better?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:22 am to RakeDog24
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Saban
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Dude. Get the frick over it. Seriously. It's pathetic.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:40 am to RakeDog24
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The gap is on the sidelines, not in talent.
Are you kidding me....the talent gap at OL, DL, LB, and Safety from LSU to Bama is freaking insanely huge. This is based on the game I watched Saturday.
ETA: That is in addition to the gap on the sidelines you speak of.....but that gap exists when Alabama plays anybody.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:41 am
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:43 am to RakeDog24
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Saban is three times better than Miles
3 times? you sure it's not 2.5 or maybe 4? nope....exactly 3 times
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:50 am to RakeDog24
Look, our position coaches in the offensive and defensive lines and the defensive backfield have not done a good job this year. Our offensive line can't seem to adjust to a stunt or an unusual rush angle. Our defensive line gets beat by just about everyone. We can't contain, we can't tackle well and we take bad defensive angles. Our linebackers are small and seem to react too slowly.
And I know recruiting is a game of probability and a lot of it is just hype. Just because a guy is a 5 star doesn't make him an all American in college. But either we are missing on too many recruits or we are simply not able to teach them to be better. Our defensive line is being outplayed by mediocre teams. Why? Our offensive line play has gotten worse as the season progressed. Why? A couple of years ago we recruited a class full of linebackers. Only one of those is playing any meaningful minutes. With the weak linebacker play we have seen, why can't someone else see the field? Did our coaches recruit so poorly?
Miles fixed the offense, finally. Now the defense needs improvement. What will he do?
And I know recruiting is a game of probability and a lot of it is just hype. Just because a guy is a 5 star doesn't make him an all American in college. But either we are missing on too many recruits or we are simply not able to teach them to be better. Our defensive line is being outplayed by mediocre teams. Why? Our offensive line play has gotten worse as the season progressed. Why? A couple of years ago we recruited a class full of linebackers. Only one of those is playing any meaningful minutes. With the weak linebacker play we have seen, why can't someone else see the field? Did our coaches recruit so poorly?
Miles fixed the offense, finally. Now the defense needs improvement. What will he do?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:05 am to RakeDog24
The OP is the most confusing point I have ever seen. You contradicted yourself. Jesus.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:45 am to RakeDog24
When Martin, Loston, Welter, and Anthony Johnson are on the field, the gap is on the field.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:54 pm to RakeDog24
You really need to get that resume in for some coaching positions.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:39 pm to RakeDog24
Dude. None of the starters on defense are super talented. I keep hearing how they are talented but inexperienced.
bullshite
Even inexperienced talented players make brilliant plays every now and then. I haven't seen one GREAT defensive play all season.
We have an inexperienced AND untalented defense.
bullshite
Even inexperienced talented players make brilliant plays every now and then. I haven't seen one GREAT defensive play all season.
We have an inexperienced AND untalented defense.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:07 pm to RakeDog24
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The gap is on the sidelines, not in talent.
Sideline (or side court) can be a dangerous place:
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:08 pm to RakeDog24
This thread is a knee-jerk reaction to losing, and is pointless.
The coaching was present to give our team a chance, even though the talent levels of the two teams weren't equal (only a blind homer would think we're equal with Bama through the entire roster). We are down this season on defense, and the front seven is pretty thin. Go rewatch the entire season, and that's evident- there simply aren't a lot of players ready to play along the line or at linebacker. Not this season. Johnson and Ferguson play almost every snap, and the rotations at linebacker and end aren't deep.
Now, the coaches knew that, and came up with what could have been an effective plan. The first half, our starters played Bama's well, and we could have led at the break. We didn't, but that wasn't on the coaches, it was on a fluke fumble by Copeland that gave away a TD, and a crowd-noise fluke fumble that gave them a gift FG. That's a 10 point swing right there, along with a lost possession at a time when we were moving the ball enough that conceivably we come away with yet another score.
It's possible, even likely, that if we don't make those screw-ups in the 1st half, we have a double digit lead at the break. If we would have, and tacked on that early FG to start the 2nd half, the game is way different. Bama might not run the fake near midfield and risk us seizing a larger lead if they fail (Nick doesn't gamble as much if he's in the hole), and that 14 play drive goes away... until later. Hell, that long, clock-grinding drive probably doesn't occur at all, because he'd be trying to keep pace, not seize physical control of a close game. What good is killing a quarter to get within 7 pts against a team who has been able to move against you? Not Nick's MO; he won't shorten the game when he needs more time.
A big enough lead and we can coast to the end, despite being short on depth. It worked just fine against Auburn- they also were grinding our defense into the dirt by the end of the game, but it was pointless because we had a cushion, and we won. We couldn't do that against Alabama, not because Saban knows more football than Miles, but because we didn't make our early cushion when we had the chance. But the gameplan was sound enough that we had the chance to do so.
The coaching was present to give our team a chance, even though the talent levels of the two teams weren't equal (only a blind homer would think we're equal with Bama through the entire roster). We are down this season on defense, and the front seven is pretty thin. Go rewatch the entire season, and that's evident- there simply aren't a lot of players ready to play along the line or at linebacker. Not this season. Johnson and Ferguson play almost every snap, and the rotations at linebacker and end aren't deep.
Now, the coaches knew that, and came up with what could have been an effective plan. The first half, our starters played Bama's well, and we could have led at the break. We didn't, but that wasn't on the coaches, it was on a fluke fumble by Copeland that gave away a TD, and a crowd-noise fluke fumble that gave them a gift FG. That's a 10 point swing right there, along with a lost possession at a time when we were moving the ball enough that conceivably we come away with yet another score.
It's possible, even likely, that if we don't make those screw-ups in the 1st half, we have a double digit lead at the break. If we would have, and tacked on that early FG to start the 2nd half, the game is way different. Bama might not run the fake near midfield and risk us seizing a larger lead if they fail (Nick doesn't gamble as much if he's in the hole), and that 14 play drive goes away... until later. Hell, that long, clock-grinding drive probably doesn't occur at all, because he'd be trying to keep pace, not seize physical control of a close game. What good is killing a quarter to get within 7 pts against a team who has been able to move against you? Not Nick's MO; he won't shorten the game when he needs more time.
A big enough lead and we can coast to the end, despite being short on depth. It worked just fine against Auburn- they also were grinding our defense into the dirt by the end of the game, but it was pointless because we had a cushion, and we won. We couldn't do that against Alabama, not because Saban knows more football than Miles, but because we didn't make our early cushion when we had the chance. But the gameplan was sound enough that we had the chance to do so.
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