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Posted on 6/1/13 at 12:36 pm to kywildcatfanone
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For a teacher who actually cares about her students and their learning
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Honestly, they should be paid a lot more for what they have to do, and put up with.
Summarized it for you.
The question is, how do you parse out the teachers who are most effective (note: not necessarily the hardest working) and reward them accordingly?
Posted on 6/1/13 at 12:59 pm to ZereauxSum
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The question is, how do you parse out the teachers who are most effective (note: not necessarily the hardest working) and reward them accordingly?
I don't know how you do that either. What has changed in America is that many, many parents are unfit to be parents and are unwilling to put in the time to actually help and encourage their children to work hard in school, and respect the teachers and administrators.
It' hard to determine the effectiveness of a teacher, when they don't have total control over the children's learning environment. The parental role is what is most important in their children's development and education, and may are unwilling to invest in their children.
When I was a child I was told to respect my elders, and that if the teacher contacted my parents about my behavior/attitude in school I could expect correction when I got home.
The stories my wife tells me about the attitude of children and their parents really does make me sad.
This post was edited on 6/1/13 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/1/13 at 1:54 pm to kywildcatfanone
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It' hard to determine the effectiveness of a teacher, when they don't have total control over the children's learning environment. The parental role is what is most important in their children's development and education, and may are unwilling to invest in their children
I totally agree with this. This is why I believe that it's impossible to say what teachers should be earning. They are only partially responsible for the output they are given credit for, and it's impossible to determine how big that portion is.
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The stories my wife tells me about the attitude of children and their parents really does make me sad.
It was mostly the parents and administration that drove my wife out of teaching. There were bad kids but they never seemed to faze her. The parents that believed that their kids deserved grades that they didn't earn by sleeping in class and not turning in assignments and the administration not backing her up was her main complaint.
She homeschools now, and although she makes $0, she's much happier than she was teaching in public school.
And much more appreciated
This post was edited on 6/1/13 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 6/1/13 at 2:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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if you can't live off 38k you've got a problem unless you're in like Manhattan or something.
If by problem you mean a wife and kids, agreed
Posted on 6/2/13 at 5:36 am to HurricaneDunc
The wife in I are on a set income of about 40k in retirement. No bills other then insurance for us and car/truck and house which eats more then 40% of our income. 
And yet, we are still insurance poor. 
And yet, we are still insurance poor. 
Posted on 6/2/13 at 6:29 am to WhoDats10
38k and no wife and kids in SEC country is enough to live well.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 6:58 am to beaverfever
You can live but I don't know about well.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 7:42 am to I Love Bama
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Are you a student? I could to at 19
No, I just figured out how to be frugal and live very well because of college. Only debt I have left is student loans.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 8:22 am to oR33Do
Good for you bro
Posted on 6/2/13 at 9:47 am to Cholo
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and it's easy to get hired.
If you go to a shitty area.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 9:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
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if you can't live off 38k you've got a problem unless you're in like Manhattan or something.
Or San Francisco, or Northern Virginia, or...or...or
Three grand and change a month isn't much.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 5:12 pm to WhoDats10
I haven't read any of this thread because it's too long and too boring. But lemme give ya some inside info. There are a LOT of teachers who make over 100K a year. They are smart. They live in ISDs (rich areas). They don't wanta deal with your a-hole kids who are stupid. In fact, they don't wanta deal with your kids who are average.
They teach the elite in the elite districts and they get paid very well. I'm talking public, not private.
They teach the elite in the elite districts and they get paid very well. I'm talking public, not private.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 5:40 pm to Zach
every teachers salary is public info available online, post a link of a teacher that makes over 100k
or just name one of these ISDs and I'll look it up for you
or just name one of these ISDs and I'll look it up for you
This post was edited on 6/2/13 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 6/3/13 at 11:30 am to WhoDats10
I wish teachers started off making twice that. Then we'd see more "top of the class" students going into teaching, which would increase our quality of education and our society as a whole.
You gotta feed the pig before it can feed you.
You gotta feed the pig before it can feed you.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 11:38 am to Zach
When taking Ito account actual time worked + benefits available (if you have never looked into these, holy crap) + job security once tenured, teachers are paid more than adequately.
And to the OP, yes I could easily live off of that. Though, I am single.
And to the OP, yes I could easily live off of that. Though, I am single.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 11:40 am to iggle
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Anyway, she got offered a job (in nyc) for 75k, teaching
75k in NYC vs Louisiana and you think Louisiana pays shite?
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