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re: NFL Franchise Player Values (non-specialists)
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Your trolling the past twelve hours has been remarkable.
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:32 am to Hugo Stiglitz
i don't troll the saints board. only blues
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
I was not happy with passing on Jones, but I understand the move. All I am saying is there will be 3 first round picks roaming around in the secondary. They better start playing, no excuse for a shite tastic secondary now.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:56 am to Chad504boy
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See we should have drafted Geno Smith. fricking awesome argument. And lets let Jimmy Graham walk too.
it is rare that Chad hits one out the park....... but this is one of those times.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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this thread is just a reminder of positions you don't take in the 1st round (RB, Safety, TE, Guard)
Holy hell man, there are quite a few NFL front offices that disagree with you.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:59 am to Sid in Lakeshore
jimmy graham furthers my point
did we draft him in the 1st round? was gronk drafted in the 1st round? aaron hernandez?
did we draft him in the 1st round? was gronk drafted in the 1st round? aaron hernandez?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
So it would be also true that if we had drafted Jimmy in the 1st it would have been a horrible pic.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:04 am to goatmilker
in terms of relative value? yes
if top TEs are routinely found in rounds 2-3, and that's their market value, why would you overpay and pick them in the 1st?
this is about relative value, not absolute value
if top TEs are routinely found in rounds 2-3, and that's their market value, why would you overpay and pick them in the 1st?
this is about relative value, not absolute value
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Are you really trying to make the argument picking jimmy in the 1stwould have been dumb?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:11 am to F machine
It sure is comforting to know that we share the board with so many people who are so much more knowledgeable and have so much more insight than Sean Payton and the rest of the Saints F.O.
I feel privileged to share the bandwidth of this website with all of you fine future G.M.'s.
I feel privileged to share the bandwidth of this website with all of you fine future G.M.'s.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:
Quarterback $14,896,000
Defensive End $11,175,000
Cornerback $10,854,000
Wide Receiver $10,537,000
Offensive Linemen $9,828,000
Linebacker $9,619,000
Defensive Tackle $8,450,000
Running Back $8,219,000
Safety $6,916,000
Tight End $6,066,000
safety is the 2nd least valuable position on a football field behind the tight end
So you're saying we should have taken a Quarterback???
In all honesty, we do have Butler, Gallet and Wilson at OLB. We have Jordan, Bunckley and Hicks at DL. I'm not a big fan of drafting safetys in the first round, but if he's the best defensive player available in their mind and it's an upgrade, which we need at the safety spot, then I'm ok with the choice.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:12 am to F machine
considering we got him in the 3rd, yes
you're thinking in terms of absolute values and with a lot of hindsight. jimmy graham was a very raw, inexperienced athlete when he came out. he also played a position that isn't (or at least at the time wasn't) highly valued
if this is the basis of your argument, there will be plenty of egg on all of our faces. in this very draft there will be other raw/athletic or flagged guys who out-perform their draft position/vaccaro. are we going to use hindsight 3-4 years down the road to criticize our front office for not selecting these 3-5 round guys in the 1st? no. that would be silly
you're thinking in terms of absolute values and with a lot of hindsight. jimmy graham was a very raw, inexperienced athlete when he came out. he also played a position that isn't (or at least at the time wasn't) highly valued
if this is the basis of your argument, there will be plenty of egg on all of our faces. in this very draft there will be other raw/athletic or flagged guys who out-perform their draft position/vaccaro. are we going to use hindsight 3-4 years down the road to criticize our front office for not selecting these 3-5 round guys in the 1st? no. that would be silly
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
No but if the saints would have picked jimmy in the 1st I doubt anyone would be arguing it now. Obviously at the time it would have probably shut this site down, but in hindsight it would be a great pick.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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in a 3-4, a dominant NT is worth it, but never go full retard like the chiefs when they picked tyson jackson
What does Tyson Jackson have to do with NT?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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you're thinking in terms of absolute values and with a lot of hindsight. jimmy graham was a very raw, inexperienced athlete when he came out. he also played a position that isn't (or at least at the time wasn't) highly valued
People overthink and overvalue the shite out of the NFL Draft.
You pick who you think is the best player, that can help your team the most, that won't be available when you pick again.
Teams don't give 2 fricks how Kiper or anyone else rates a player. Or what armchair GMs feel.
Pick the player you want. Period.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
I guess the way it should work is every team should pick QB first round regardless of what they have.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:44 am to moneyg
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What does Tyson Jackson have to do with NT?
nothing. it was just a funny comment about bad investment in non-valuable 3-4 positions (as opposed to a somewhat valuable NT)
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:47 am to htran90
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I guess the way it should work is every team should pick QB first round regardless of what they have.
that's somewhat stupid, but, with the new rookie salary scale it makes sense to draft QBs early now
previously there was a salary detriment that regulated the drafting Qbs market and decreased their value.
this is long-term strategy though. most teams don't draft in these terms
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Well of course taking qbs in the first is smart now. We don't really need that though
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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did we draft him in the 1st round? was gronk drafted in the 1st round? aaron hernandez?
No, but if they could see the future, each one of those guy would be 1st rounders....high 1st too.
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