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re: 30 for 30 "Benji" thread...
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:42 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:42 pm to Lester Earl
im not reading the whole thread, but him not getting any medical attention for 3 hours or so was a travesty.
His life almost positive would have been saved had it been handled in a timely manner, no?
His life almost positive would have been saved had it been handled in a timely manner, no?
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Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:45 pm to Lester Earl
Most likely, he was shot with a fricking 22.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 12:58 am to sunnydaze
Beginning to watch now.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:49 am to Nonetheless
Damn. This is sad. 
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:52 am to Nonetheless
They did a really good job pulling you in. Wilson definitely had flaws but you could tell he left a lot of good memories behind with his friends and family.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 5:55 am to Tiger Nation 84
As good as his story was, it wasn't anything special to me, and that's a sad thing. The amount of talent that is wasted, either by violence, stupid decisions, or lack of guidance is hard to think about. I know to many "Benjis" whether they are dead, locked up, or strung out it's still talent wasted.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 6:27 am to Lester Earl
He was shot with a .22 in his groin. I'm no OT doctor but I'm guessing if he received immediate care he would still be alive
Posted on 10/24/12 at 6:56 am to TheOcean
Deinitely my favorite 30 for 30. The one about Chris Herren was a close second. The one last night had me kind of down last night night.. Damn shame that had to happen. He seemed like the total package you look for in a superstar.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 7:13 am to dominustd
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And I doubt how it started. Maybe a bump, but a hard push for no reason? Unlikely.
This I agree with and was the main reason I used the word "most" of what he said.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 7:46 am to RandySavage
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The amount of talent that is wasted, either by violence, stupid decisions, or lack of guidance is hard to think about. I know to many "Benjis" whether they are dead, locked up, or strung out it's still talent wasted.
Agreed. Ohio State had a running back recruit who died in 2001 of a heart attack while playing pickup basketball. That was a tragedy. Kid had a ticking time bomb in his chest and no one knew.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:08 am to VABuckeye
I really loved "Big Air". I guess it could have been because I knew nothing of it before I saw the documentary. That dude was crazy!
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:12 am to TheOcean
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He was shot with a .22 in his groin. I'm no OT doctor but I'm guessing if he received immediate care he would still be alive
Something about that Asian doctor was off as well.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:19 am to tigerpimpbot
Yeah, getting treated by Hp Chi Min probably didn't help.
Getting shot with a .22 can be worse than getting shot with larger caliber guns sometimes because the bullet goes in and just rattles around wreaking havoc, rather than going through and through.
Getting shot with a .22 can be worse than getting shot with larger caliber guns sometimes because the bullet goes in and just rattles around wreaking havoc, rather than going through and through.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:23 am to VABuckeye
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Ohio State had a running back recruit who died in 2001 of a heart attack while playing pickup basketball. That was a tragedy. Kid had a ticking time bomb in his chest and no one knew
I just had Pete Maravich flashbacks.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:42 am to Tiger in NY
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Getting shot with a .22 can be worse than getting shot with larger caliber guns sometimes because the bullet goes in and just rattles around wreaking havoc, rather than going through and through.
Very true, which causes most of the internal bleeding. Cousin got shot with a .22 and the bullet is still in him.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:54 am to Lester Earl
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it was entertaining. That's all it was meant to be
This, and actually, that's what all of these are meant to be. Everyone loves The Best That Never Was, but that's the same thing this one was, except Dupree is still alive. Going back in the past to see how good so and so was and the tragedy they had to face.
This one showed that Benji wasn't completely perfect, but at the same time showed that everyone has their flaws, some worse than others. It was greatly done and easily my favorite one.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 9:07 am to GeauxAggie972
It was like watching a documentary version of "Boyz n the Hood".
This was a good show but that is what I kept thinking while watching it. I was 10 at the time of his death and just getting into Basketball. I really don't remember his death like I do Lynn Bias.
This was a good show but that is what I kept thinking while watching it. I was 10 at the time of his death and just getting into Basketball. I really don't remember his death like I do Lynn Bias.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 9:14 am to GeauxAggie972
Of course there are other Benji's and Dupree's. That's what makes the story compelling. You tell one personal story to tell a larger truth. That's the power of a good documentary. You can personalize a much larger theme (Hoop Dreams is another great example).
What made 30 for 30 so great was that instead of just doing the typical review shows or highlight packages to celebrate ESPN's 30th year, they instead had filmmakers make a movie about something about which they had a personal stake. These are personal docs, and they show stories that were largely ignored (or we never saw the full story). The best 30 for 30's are things we didn't know (Dupree), show a new side of things we thought we knew (Once Brothers), or were intensely personal (The Band That Wouldn't Die, Into the Wind).
I can see the 1987 Miami Hurricanes highlight video if I want to. But the only people who want to see that are fanboys. It's shallow and completely lacks the substance of the largely excellent docs in the series. Even worse, Da U hints at the truly interesting things about the team (the balance of big time athletics and the academic mission, largely black urban youths playing for the enjoyment of upper class white people, etc.) and then just lets the plotline drop. In the hands of a good filmmaker with something to say other than MY FAVORITE TEAM WAS AWESOME, you could have had a fascinating doc. Instead, he was too busy transcribing whatever his former heroes told him, completely uncritically.
It was junk food. And sure, junk food is tasty, but afterwards, you get sick. I hate using the line "it was entertaining" as an excuse to like stupid, shallow things. Things can be entertaining AND not stupid and poorly made. Just like food can be tasty AND nutritious. The doc was a failure because it didn't tell me anything I didn't know from watching a team highlight video.
By contrast, this doc didn't shy away from Benji's warts, and even showed him as a pretty flawed guy. Sure, he had a massive ego and he assaulted a teacher. He probably did mouth off to that street punk. It doesn't mean he deserved to get murdered.
What made 30 for 30 so great was that instead of just doing the typical review shows or highlight packages to celebrate ESPN's 30th year, they instead had filmmakers make a movie about something about which they had a personal stake. These are personal docs, and they show stories that were largely ignored (or we never saw the full story). The best 30 for 30's are things we didn't know (Dupree), show a new side of things we thought we knew (Once Brothers), or were intensely personal (The Band That Wouldn't Die, Into the Wind).
I can see the 1987 Miami Hurricanes highlight video if I want to. But the only people who want to see that are fanboys. It's shallow and completely lacks the substance of the largely excellent docs in the series. Even worse, Da U hints at the truly interesting things about the team (the balance of big time athletics and the academic mission, largely black urban youths playing for the enjoyment of upper class white people, etc.) and then just lets the plotline drop. In the hands of a good filmmaker with something to say other than MY FAVORITE TEAM WAS AWESOME, you could have had a fascinating doc. Instead, he was too busy transcribing whatever his former heroes told him, completely uncritically.
It was junk food. And sure, junk food is tasty, but afterwards, you get sick. I hate using the line "it was entertaining" as an excuse to like stupid, shallow things. Things can be entertaining AND not stupid and poorly made. Just like food can be tasty AND nutritious. The doc was a failure because it didn't tell me anything I didn't know from watching a team highlight video.
By contrast, this doc didn't shy away from Benji's warts, and even showed him as a pretty flawed guy. Sure, he had a massive ego and he assaulted a teacher. He probably did mouth off to that street punk. It doesn't mean he deserved to get murdered.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 9:21 am to LSUDAN1
Bias was in the NBA, this dude was a sr in high school.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 9:22 am to LSUDAN1
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I really don't remember his death like I do Lynn Bias.
I loved the Lynn Bias one. I've always heard of him but never knew he was THAT GOOD. Crazy how his life ended.
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