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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:28 am to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:28 am to Mr. Wayne
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It was known by everyone where Brandon was. Lyanna's father could have been on the way to Riverrun
Well done. It's possible it was even addressed to Rickard, but I have been under the impression that Lyanna and Brandon were close...Ned and Benjen were so much younger, and they both had the "wolves' blood" thing. I like the idea it was intended for Brandon to explain the truth -
She knew her father would see it as a serious slight on House Baratheon (Walder Frey would agree)as well as a dishonor to House Stark...she may have conceded that point altogether...she had to know the most sympathetic ear would be her brother's, and that he would be the one to defend her decision before any other family member.
In reality, it may have been a wedding announcement under all that explaining....don't think the timeframe fits for it to be an "I'm expecting" letter as well...good thing...I have little doubt that an older Petyr wouldve put that together and used it by now.
...unless he kept the letter for that reason, and is biding his time...
I fricking love kicking over rocks!
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:32 am to 19
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I fricking love kicking over rocks!
Especially when there appears to be something underneath. A 14 year old LF might have started a war that put into place everything we are reading about now. I hate LF, mainly because of Ned, but you can not deny his intelligence.
Another thing that has bothered me... If Rhaegar would have met Ned on the battlefield, would he have fought and tried to kill him? Or would he have attempted to explain?
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:37 am to 19
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Thanks Wayne. Where ya been? And where the hell is Cotton?
Present and accounted for
I've been working a lot. Having been posting as much lately
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:43 am to CottonWasKing
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I've been working a lot. Having been posting as much lately
You can work and make money or you can post in here and possibly figure out what's going to happen, only to later find out you were way off, in a fictional story that may or may not come out in the next few years. Seems like you need to get your priorities in order.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:46 am to Mr. Wayne
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If Rhaegar would have met Ned on the battlefield
I've thought about this too. The only answer I could see is Rhaegar would fight, not only because he believed TPtwP whole heartedly, but because he saw Ned first and foremost as an agent of Robert. An honor bound agent that would be forced to tell Robert the truth, even at the cost of his own sister's well-being, because Ned's code demands what's wrong is wrong, and she broke the betrothal.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:46 am to Mr. Wayne
I apparently need to get my mind right
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:55 am to 19
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I've thought about this too. The only answer I could see is Rhaegar would fight, not only because he believed TPtwP whole heartedly, but because he saw Ned first and foremost as an agent of Robert. An honor bound agent that would be forced to tell Robert the truth, even at the cost of his own sister's well-being, because Ned's code demands what's wrong is wrong, and she broke the betrothal.
If Ned would've met Rhaegar on the battlefield he would've became poor dead Ned a lot sooner for sure
Posted on 5/1/13 at 10:58 am to 19
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The only answer I could see is Rhaegar would fight
I'm pretty much of the same opinion, though Lyanna would have been pretty pissed.
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because he believed TPtwP
My main reason for thinking so.
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because he saw Ned first and foremost as an agent of Robert. An honor bound agent that would be forced to tell Robert the truth, even at the cost of his own sister's well-being, because Ned's code demands what's wrong is wrong, and she broke the betrothal.
I think he would have at least tried to explain though. If Rhaegar would have explained his plans to remove his father, think that was coming due to his comment to Jamie, Ned may have backed down and tried to strike a deal. He wouldn't have continued in the war simply because his best friend got dumped by his sister.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:02 am to Mr. Wayne
No Ned wouldve kept fighting I think. He wasn't the type to back out of a fight. Not after the king murdered his father and brother. If they would've met on the battlefield one of them would've died and it probably wouldve been Ned
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:04 am to CE Tiger
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This theory makes littlefinger solely responsible for Robert rebellion and the war of 5 kings. fricking awesome.
Well, I wouldn't say he masterminded it but he's been out to get the Starks throughout the story.
War was probably inevitable with the Mad King.
Petyr Baelish will likely not survive the story.
I'm pulling for Sansa to stab him with the Valyrian steel dagger used in the assassination attempt of Bran.
She leaves him for dead in the woods until Nymeria and her pack of wolves eat him alive.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:06 am to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:Support.
I'm pulling for Sansa to stab him with the Valyrian steel dagger used in the assassination attempt of Bran.
She leaves him for dead in the woods until Nymeria and her pack of wolves eat him alive.
My prediction is he gets killed by zombie Cat. It would be massively ironic if the one he performed all of those deeds for, the one person he loved, ended up killing him.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:28 am to Hugo Stiglitz
i just read the scene where Arya is sailing into the port of Braavos and she's recalling Old Nan's story about the Titan being fed little highborn girls.
Could this be another enormous beast that plays into the final war? i doubt GRRM goes this direction but there sure are a lot of sleeping powerhouses in the old tales
Also check this out:
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Old Nan had told them stories of the Titan back in Winterfell. He was a giant as tall as a mountain, and whenever Braavos stood in danger he would wake with fire in his eyes, his rocky limbs grinding and groaning as he waded out into the sea to smash the enemies. “The Braavosi feed him on the juicy pink flesh of little highborn girls,” Nan would end.
Could this be another enormous beast that plays into the final war? i doubt GRRM goes this direction but there sure are a lot of sleeping powerhouses in the old tales
Also check this out:
quote:i'm really interested in the whole Stark supernatural connection to the Northern defenses
Theory: The "blood magic" in the Wall is from Brandon the Builder's own family. It's possible that Starks are a continuous "sacrifice" to keep up the Wall's magic (e.g. Benjen was this generation's "sacrifice," the Night's King was a Stark sacrifice run amok). "The Starks have manned the Wall for thousands of years" and "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" are modern ideas/sayings that are actually steeped in the history of the Wall and its very real link to the Stark family. There might be a very real supernatural reason for why the Starks in particular have to possess Winterfell, and this might also explain how one family has lasted 8,000 years when so many others are so much newer and/or extinct.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:35 am to manwich
Cotton,
it was the drums of the sell swords at the red wedding.
they were banging away as the meal was being served
it was the drums of the sell swords at the red wedding.
they were banging away as the meal was being served
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:36 am to CottonWasKing
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No Ned wouldve kept fighting I think. He wasn't the type to back out of a fight.
I worded that poorly. What I meant was he was cool-headed enough to listen to reason. Rhaegar would have had at least a chance to convince Ned he was not the enemy.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:37 am to manwich
Damn I need to reread that scene. All I can remember is the rains of castamere
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:38 am to CottonWasKing
the drums pounding really made that scene intense for me
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:39 am to Mr. Wayne
But remember Ned had already sworn fealty to Robert. Ned's enemies were whoever Robert's enemies were and Robert wouldve never listened to reason.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:41 am to CottonWasKing
Glad you're back, Mithrandir.
I didn't even consider this. Absolutely would play a part in both's decisions - it should've put strong limits on Rhaegar's choice - if Lyanna were with him to explain, he may have attempted it, but Rhaegar prolly felt he had no choice but to assume the worst outcome...the baby was too important - the instructions he left with the TOJ3 kinda supports his thoughts on it.
A part of me believes that Rhaegar never saw his own death as a possibility - he never seriously considered he wouldn't be there to see the prophecy fulfilled.
On the other hand, I'm sure he was prepared to sacrifice everything for it, including himself.
OFF-topic:
I love it when the question is brought up "Why didn't Ned tell Cat the truth about JS?"
I can just see my wife's reaction to me bringing home a kid that looks like me already, and would prolly look more and more so as he grew up, and blame it on my dead sister and her "captor"
-basically requiring her to believe everything she thought she knew about the spark of the war / her first love's death was all 'a mistake'
-The Coup de Grace is hitting her with AND YOU CAN'T TELL ANYONE THE TRUTH. Basically, I'm only telling you because I don't want you to think I've been sleeping around during the war (like all other soldiers do)So, we're just gonna let everyone believe he's my bastard, cuz that's what they'll say, anyway. Yeah, you'll look like a fool, but WE know the truth, honey...Because, if this gets out he's Rhaegar's son, Robert will kill him!! (That part would really seal my old lady's lips, for sure)
Yeah, sure.
That would go over nicely.
Thank the gods his code made him keep his mouth shut, or he would've leveled with her.
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Not after the king murdered his father and brother
I didn't even consider this. Absolutely would play a part in both's decisions - it should've put strong limits on Rhaegar's choice - if Lyanna were with him to explain, he may have attempted it, but Rhaegar prolly felt he had no choice but to assume the worst outcome...the baby was too important - the instructions he left with the TOJ3 kinda supports his thoughts on it.
A part of me believes that Rhaegar never saw his own death as a possibility - he never seriously considered he wouldn't be there to see the prophecy fulfilled.
On the other hand, I'm sure he was prepared to sacrifice everything for it, including himself.
OFF-topic:
I love it when the question is brought up "Why didn't Ned tell Cat the truth about JS?"
I can just see my wife's reaction to me bringing home a kid that looks like me already, and would prolly look more and more so as he grew up, and blame it on my dead sister and her "captor"
-basically requiring her to believe everything she thought she knew about the spark of the war / her first love's death was all 'a mistake'
-The Coup de Grace is hitting her with AND YOU CAN'T TELL ANYONE THE TRUTH. Basically, I'm only telling you because I don't want you to think I've been sleeping around during the war (like all other soldiers do)So, we're just gonna let everyone believe he's my bastard, cuz that's what they'll say, anyway. Yeah, you'll look like a fool, but WE know the truth, honey...Because, if this gets out he's Rhaegar's son, Robert will kill him!! (That part would really seal my old lady's lips, for sure)
Yeah, sure.
That would go over nicely.
Thank the gods his code made him keep his mouth shut, or he would've leveled with her.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:45 am to 19
i love Old Nan's stories
Mad Axe prowling the Nightfort
:chills:
Mad Axe prowling the Nightfort
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He remembered what Old Nan had said of Mad Axe, how he took his boots off and prowled the castle halls barefoot in the dark, with never a sound to tell you where he was except for the drops of blood that fell from his axe and his elbows
and the end of his wet red beard. Or maybe it wasn’t Mad Axe at all, maybe it was the thing that came in the night. The ‘prentice boys all saw it, Old Nan said, but afterward when they told their Lord Commander every description had been different. And three died within the year, and the fourth went mad, and a hundred years later when the thing had come again, the ‘prentice boys were seen shambling along behind it, all in chains.
:chills:
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:47 am to OMLandshark
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Agreed. He just really decided with that letter "frick the Starks, lets see where this goes". Littlefinger's results couldn't have been any better. After Littlefinger sees how such a simple action of burning a letter can overthrow an entire dynasty, Littlefinger decides to continue to rip the Kingdoms apart and outsmart and destroy the ruling houses who kept him from his precious Cat.
God, I love this thread.
I have never thought of that at all, but it makes so much sense. We now know that LF started the war of the five kings, but he could have also started Robert's rebellion? damn.
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