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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:53 am to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:53 am to Mr. Wayne
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What I meant was he was cool-headed enough to listen to reason. Rhaegar would have had at least a chance to convince Ned he was not the enemy.
Could Ned and Rhaegar have reached an understanding? Sure - in fact, Ned respects and laments Rhaegar.
The problem is if they had, then what? Ned would have had to pledge House Stark and The Northern Kingdom to either Rhaegar or Robert...a turncloak or an honorless glory hound.
The politics prevented this, and I think Rhaegar knew it - hence he never gave Ned the choice, even after his own death.
ETA: choice. stupid smart phone
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 11:54 am
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:54 am to 19
Good stuff. Like I said, I can't keep away from these theories myself.
I'm really intrigued by the Littlefinger getting in the way of Lyanna's (or even Rhegar's) explanation that they had eloped and that she was not kidnapped.
On first blush, I'd say that would be a very big risk for Littlefinger to take - if the two sides talked to each other they would have found out about the missing letter (or missing messenger or however the information was being conveyed). And suspicion could have turned to him.
But in reality, these characters often resort to violence without talking things through. I'm still trying to figure out why Ned's group and the Kings-guardsmen decided to kill each other at the Tower of Joy. So, it might not have been that big of a risk for Littlefinger after all.
Heck, I wouldn't put it past Littlefinger to go past stealing a letter and maybe discretely sow a little disinformation himself pointing to kidnapping.
I'm really intrigued by the Littlefinger getting in the way of Lyanna's (or even Rhegar's) explanation that they had eloped and that she was not kidnapped.
On first blush, I'd say that would be a very big risk for Littlefinger to take - if the two sides talked to each other they would have found out about the missing letter (or missing messenger or however the information was being conveyed). And suspicion could have turned to him.
But in reality, these characters often resort to violence without talking things through. I'm still trying to figure out why Ned's group and the Kings-guardsmen decided to kill each other at the Tower of Joy. So, it might not have been that big of a risk for Littlefinger after all.
Heck, I wouldn't put it past Littlefinger to go past stealing a letter and maybe discretely sow a little disinformation himself pointing to kidnapping.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:54 am to 19
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Mithrandir
Wrong book brah
I have been called worse so ill let it slide
Posted on 5/1/13 at 11:58 am to CottonWasKing
Last known whereabouts
Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:00 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Another thing that has bothered me... If Rhaegar would have met Ned on the battlefield, would he have fought and tried to kill him? Or would he have attempted to explain?
Doubt he would. If they merely just met outside of battle, yeah, but even Arthur Dayne wouldn't explain things.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:00 pm to CottonWasKing
meant it in a bastard version of the Elvish context: "old one, wise one" -
"One here from the beginning"
...but hey, chances are none of this would exist without those books...
Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:03 pm to 19
"One here from the beginning"..... I like that
Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:17 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I'm pulling for Sansa to stab him with the Valyrian steel dagger used in the assassination attempt of Bran. She leaves him for dead in the woods until Nymeria and her pack of wolves eat him alive.
I'm hoping the Others surround Winterfell and Littlefinger makes his escape through the tombs of Winterfell. When he arrives where Ned's bones should be, Sansa stabs him. Thus he is killed by the Ghost of Eddard Stark. Sansa will then make it out, and narrowly survive due to the Valyrian Steel blade.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:25 pm to Methuselah
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On first blush, I'd say that would be a very big risk for Littlefinger to take - if the two sides talked to each other they would have found out about the missing letter (or missing messenger or however the information was being conveyed). And suspicion could have turned to him.
I don't think Littlefinger really thought it through and did it simply out of spite to Brandon Stark. Plus it's not unheard of for a raven to get lost. He was just incredibly satisfied with his result and just decided to make it a career of ruining millions of lives.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 12:45 pm to OMLandshark
I really like the whole Littlefinger had a hand in encouraging the War of the Usurper theories, but wasn't he sent away from Riverrun back to the Fingers once he recovered from his duel with Brandon? The timeline is vague between how long he was there after the duel, but I would assume it didn't take up until Brandon & Rickard's deaths for him to recover and be sent off. Maybe he stuck around secretly, but I find this unlikely.
The only thing I can think to incorporate Littlefinger's involvement is Lyanna sent a letter to Winterfell where Cat was the only one there read the letter and sent the information to her trusted friend Littlefinger (maybe so he could send word to the Vale?) who in turn did nothing.
I hope he was involved though, as that would add so much depth to his character and how maniacal he really is.
The only thing I can think to incorporate Littlefinger's involvement is Lyanna sent a letter to Winterfell where Cat was the only one there read the letter and sent the information to her trusted friend Littlefinger (maybe so he could send word to the Vale?) who in turn did nothing.
I hope he was involved though, as that would add so much depth to his character and how maniacal he really is.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:16 pm to BlackleafBaller
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I really like the whole Littlefinger had a hand in encouraging the War of the Usurper theories, but wasn't he sent away from Riverrun back to the Fingers once he recovered from his duel with Brandon? The timeline is vague between how long he was there after the duel, but I would assume it didn't take up until Brandon & Rickard's deaths for him to recover and be sent off. Maybe he stuck around secretly, but I find this unlikely.
It wouldn't take til Brandon's death, just Lyanna's abduction. I think the timeline works for it to happen.
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The only thing I can think to incorporate Littlefinger's involvement is Lyanna sent a letter to Winterfell where Cat was the only one there read the letter and sent the information to her trusted friend Littlefinger (maybe so he could send word to the Vale?) who in turn did nothing.
No way. Eddard and Catelyn were wed in Riverrun. Plus I'm sure Cat would have brought this up and figured out that Jon Snow was Lyanna and Rhaegar's daughter.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:45 pm to BlackleafBaller
How do we see the war for the Throne shaping up in the last two books?
The Lannisters are all but finished IMO, thanks to Cersei and Varys. Everyone, (except the Freys), hates them at this point.
The Freys There time is almost up. They suck hard.
The Boltons See also Freys
The Tullys See also Freys
The Starks Would love to see them make a move but it seems almost impossible for them to get their shite together in time.
Petyr Baelish Has become a contender through scheming and looks to possibly control much north of Harrenhal. Nothing but tears for Littlefinger in the end IMO.
The Greyjoys No chance at the throne but will manage to continue to frick everyone's shite up.
The Martells seems like they are going to loyally back any Targaryen.
Stannis Baratheon Does he continue his crusade for the throne no matter what or will he be willing to bend the knee if Melisandre advises him to?
The Targaryens Aegon/Daenerys will obviously be big players in the end, it's hard to see how this is going to shake out.
The Tyrells They are the most significant players in the short term of the throne IMO. They are like a benevolent version of the Lannisters (rich, pragmatic) and you know they don't want to be on the losing side again like they were in Robert's rebellion and Renly's whatever.
Do they take the throne for themselves and hope to defend it from Stannis, Daenerys, or Aegon?
Or do they try to peacefully compromise the throne to Stannis or a Targaryen?
The Lannisters are all but finished IMO, thanks to Cersei and Varys. Everyone, (except the Freys), hates them at this point.
The Freys There time is almost up. They suck hard.
The Boltons See also Freys
The Tullys See also Freys
The Starks Would love to see them make a move but it seems almost impossible for them to get their shite together in time.
Petyr Baelish Has become a contender through scheming and looks to possibly control much north of Harrenhal. Nothing but tears for Littlefinger in the end IMO.
The Greyjoys No chance at the throne but will manage to continue to frick everyone's shite up.
The Martells seems like they are going to loyally back any Targaryen.
Stannis Baratheon Does he continue his crusade for the throne no matter what or will he be willing to bend the knee if Melisandre advises him to?
The Targaryens Aegon/Daenerys will obviously be big players in the end, it's hard to see how this is going to shake out.
The Tyrells They are the most significant players in the short term of the throne IMO. They are like a benevolent version of the Lannisters (rich, pragmatic) and you know they don't want to be on the losing side again like they were in Robert's rebellion and Renly's whatever.
Do they take the throne for themselves and hope to defend it from Stannis, Daenerys, or Aegon?
Or do they try to peacefully compromise the throne to Stannis or a Targaryen?
Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:50 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Stannis Baratheon Does he continue his crusade for the throne no matter what or will he be willing to bend the knee if Melisandre advises him to?
i think he bends the knee
i recall reading that he didnt even want to be king, but thought that he had to because it was his duty
i can see him swearing fealty to whoever ends up being AA because he is such a red god guy
Posted on 5/1/13 at 1:52 pm to Ash Williams
But what if the Iron Bank of Braavos is backing him like it looks like they might?
It would be difficult for him to just give up then I'd imagine.
It would be difficult for him to just give up then I'd imagine.
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:01 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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But what if the Iron Bank of Braavos is backing him like it looks like they might?
It would be difficult for him to just give up then I'd imagine.
i could see them backing jon or whoever is AA just as easily
the only reason they're backing stannis is because they see him as the biggest threat to the current baratheon/lannister thrown and they just want someone new on the throne that would be beholden to them and pay em back their GD money
Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:32 pm to Ash Williams
Right, but Stannis already signed the contract and sent the banker along with Ser Justin Massey back to Braavos.
Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:35 pm to NIH
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Right, but Stannis already signed the contract and sent the banker along with Ser Justin Massey back to Braavos.
is that in the preview from WoW?
i forgot about that
Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:38 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
daenyrys dies
Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:41 pm to Carson123987
Death is certain
It is known
It is known
Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:42 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Death is certain
well yea
valar morghulis and shite
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