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Anyone else think we're about to enter a cinematic dark age?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:30 am
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:30 am
This shooting makes me sick to my stomach, and something tells me once the dust settles, the psychopath behind this is not going to be made the main villain in this by rights groups and spiral this completely out of control. The main villain will be Hollywood, and particullarly creative directors like Christopher Nolan, Quentin Tarantino, and Martin Scorcese are going to be taking most of the blunt of this shite, no different than video games supposedly inspiring mass murders and Marilyn Manson inspiring the Columbine shooters. I know that with these psychopaths it was probably merely a matter of time before they exploded and killed many despite their interests in these artists works, but let's just ignore that for now.
More or less, I think the creative film making process will die with "The Dark Knight Rises". Pretty much these producers will now approach their entire audience as potential psychopaths who are one scene away from mowing down a theatre, not normal people who will in no way do the violence shown on screen. I expect violence to decrease as a whole over the next 10 years.
You can rest assured that they won't dare make a truly dark and great Batman film for the next say 20-30 years due to the fact that the films' darkness inspired this massacre. It wouldn't shock me "Django Unchained" were the first victim of this and had its violence forcibly edited by the studio. Also wouldn't shock me if they sent "Catching Fire" back for a rewrite so there would be less on-screen murder. Don't get me wrong, action and violence against non-human forces will be encouraged like Avatar, Transformers, Pirates of the Carribean, and Alice in Wonderland. They play it safe and the masses will go to it. The films are incredibly formulaic and don't push the envelope. These films if you'll notice are also run from a more production stand point to make as much money as humanly possible, instead of pushing it in a storytelling perspective.
Pretty much I'm saying is that writers and directors visions that are controversial, violent, foul, or with a morally grey message (with any combination of the previous 3) will be discouraged by producers and the studios, and will from this point on adopt a more James Cameron or Michael Bay approach. Over-the-top villains, a forced message, and violence kept to merely cartoonish and completely nonbelievable standards. The producers will now be meddling to the extreme with great directors visions, and thus we'll now be victims to dozens upon dozens of Spiderman 3s.
This punk, who I hope has the thrust of a thousand dicks destroy his arse in prison, has destroyed lives and mutilated cinema. James Holmes will do to cinema what Jerry Sandusky has done to college football, only the backlash won't be against a single institution. It will in my opinion damage creative filmmaking even further and be run completely by producers who rarely step foot on the set or truly immerse themselves in the filmmaking process.
More or less, I think the creative film making process will die with "The Dark Knight Rises". Pretty much these producers will now approach their entire audience as potential psychopaths who are one scene away from mowing down a theatre, not normal people who will in no way do the violence shown on screen. I expect violence to decrease as a whole over the next 10 years.
You can rest assured that they won't dare make a truly dark and great Batman film for the next say 20-30 years due to the fact that the films' darkness inspired this massacre. It wouldn't shock me "Django Unchained" were the first victim of this and had its violence forcibly edited by the studio. Also wouldn't shock me if they sent "Catching Fire" back for a rewrite so there would be less on-screen murder. Don't get me wrong, action and violence against non-human forces will be encouraged like Avatar, Transformers, Pirates of the Carribean, and Alice in Wonderland. They play it safe and the masses will go to it. The films are incredibly formulaic and don't push the envelope. These films if you'll notice are also run from a more production stand point to make as much money as humanly possible, instead of pushing it in a storytelling perspective.
Pretty much I'm saying is that writers and directors visions that are controversial, violent, foul, or with a morally grey message (with any combination of the previous 3) will be discouraged by producers and the studios, and will from this point on adopt a more James Cameron or Michael Bay approach. Over-the-top villains, a forced message, and violence kept to merely cartoonish and completely nonbelievable standards. The producers will now be meddling to the extreme with great directors visions, and thus we'll now be victims to dozens upon dozens of Spiderman 3s.
This punk, who I hope has the thrust of a thousand dicks destroy his arse in prison, has destroyed lives and mutilated cinema. James Holmes will do to cinema what Jerry Sandusky has done to college football, only the backlash won't be against a single institution. It will in my opinion damage creative filmmaking even further and be run completely by producers who rarely step foot on the set or truly immerse themselves in the filmmaking process.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:47 am to OMLandshark
We've been in one since 1977
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:20 am to OMLandshark
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Anyone else think we're about to enter a cinematic dark age? (Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:30 a.m.)
No I don't think that at all.
It's a possibility I guess, but it's been barely over 24 hours since the attack occurred, and that seems like a knee-jerk response right now. No offense
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:29 am to OMLandshark
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Anyone else think we're about to enter a cinematic dark age?
No.
Mostly because the scapegoat as it stands is going to be gun control instead of movies, video games, and etc.
But I also think people have been there and done that with the music industry and maybe realize that limiting those industries or blaming them is not the answer. You also can't underestimate how desensitized people have become to these things since events like Columbine.
Now I will say we probably won't be seeing any violent movie theater scenes in movies anytime soon.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:15 am to OMLandshark
I do think its a valid concern OML but I agree with Belle. Gun control is going to be the goat on this one.
I think you are right about one thing though. I think it'll be awhile before we see Batman films like this on screen. WB will reboot of course but I wonder now if that reboot takes longer.
I think you are right about one thing though. I think it'll be awhile before we see Batman films like this on screen. WB will reboot of course but I wonder now if that reboot takes longer.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 6:34 am to OMLandshark
It is easy to have a knee jerk reaction right after a traumatic event but to answer your question, If we enter a cinematic dark age, it will have zero to do with this shooting and will be pushed by the continuing expansion of the 'Michael Bay' effect.
Yes nothing like blaming others. Movies, video games and rap should all be blamed for societies ills.
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Mostly because the scapegoat as it stands is going to be gun control instead of movies,
In a way it should. Guns are too accessible.
Yes nothing like blaming others. Movies, video games and rap should all be blamed for societies ills.
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There is no coincidence why countries like Canada and the UK don't have all this gun violence. The third amendment has done more to hurt, rather than help the nation IMO.
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 9:13 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/21/12 at 9:15 am to OMLandshark
This shooting will have absolutely no effect on the quality of future films.
ETA: as a whole
ETA: as a whole
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 9:51 am to OMLandshark
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It wouldn't shock me "Django Unchained" were the first victim of this and had its violence forcibly edited by the studio.
I'm pretty sure Tarantino would tell Weinstein to frick off if he tried to mess with his movie.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:16 pm to OMLandshark
we've been in one for some time. Why do you think you are seeing comic books and then nothing but sequels. If a movie is a hit, then here comes version I,II,III instead of cranking out new scripts.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:28 pm to OMLandshark
First, we take chances everyday from the moment we get out of bed. Life is too short to be worrying about every potential hazard. You could die in a car accident on your way to work. People still drive. You would be surprised how many are discovered dead on their pot. People still shite. You could walk out in your yard, slip, fall, break your neck and die. People still walk in their yards. I could continue on this one but I think the reader should have the point by now.
Second, there have always been kooks and there always will be. Nothing you can do about it.
Thirdly, literature has been rife with violence over the centuries. Look at how brutally Caesar was murdered. Sheakspeare was not banned.
Last, controlling guns is not going to be the answer. If the guy did not have a gun, he could have fixed up a bomb and thrown it. Same difference.
No one should be taking the brunt of anything except the criminal who did the deed, and in his case - justice should definitely be done.![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconAngry.gif)
Second, there have always been kooks and there always will be. Nothing you can do about it.
Thirdly, literature has been rife with violence over the centuries. Look at how brutally Caesar was murdered. Sheakspeare was not banned.
Last, controlling guns is not going to be the answer. If the guy did not have a gun, he could have fixed up a bomb and thrown it. Same difference.
No one should be taking the brunt of anything except the criminal who did the deed, and in his case - justice should definitely be done.
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:37 pm to OMLandshark
Nope. Studios don't care about that shite. They just care about $$$. If violence makes $$$ then that's what we'll get.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:27 pm to OMLandshark
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More or less, I think the creative film making process will die with "The Dark Knight Rises". Pretty much these producers will now approach their entire audience as potential psychopaths who are one scene away from mowing down a theatre, not normal people who will in no way do the violence shown on screen. I expect violence to decrease as a whole over the next 10 years.
I don't agree with this at all. For no other reason than good directors won't change. This movie will prevent Tarantino from having a psychopath in one of his films. Umm no. Psychopaths are a popular story for a lot of movies. Will it slow down a bit? Maybe. I don't think so but for the next 10 years? C'mon.
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You can rest assured that they won't dare make a truly dark and great Batman film for the next say 20-30 years due to the fact that the films' darkness inspired this massacre.
Why in Gods name would someone want to remake Batman anytime soon, no matter what the take on it. I have no doubt that this trilogy will be worshipped in a similar fashion to Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. Nobody will dare remake them because of how well they were done and how much people care about them.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:00 pm to OMLandshark
The correct answer is that there will be no long-term impact from this. People have blamed entertainment for society woes for decades, starting with comics in the 50's and up to video games more recently. Overreaction is a normal human response and why rational people can make a lot of money in the stock market. This was one nut job and, before too long, cooler heads will prevail.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:13 pm to OMLandshark
TL; DNR, but why is everyone freaking out? This shite happens. Do people not go to malls anymore because there was once a shooting at a mall? Are we going to avoid Del Taco because a dude in a striped shirt beat #69s arse in there? I don't see this as having any impact on people going to the movies.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 1:25 am to OMLandshark
No.
This freak is a domestic terrorist. He had at least most of this planned for a long time.
Who knows if it was for the release of this movie, I honestly don't believe that has anything to do with what he did, as diabolical and disgusting as it is.
He knew there would be a big crowd of people there to see the movie.
He went there to do one thing.
He could've done the exact same thing at a 4th of July fireworks gathering, in a Mall when Santa is there, etc.....
He went to where the crowd was, nothing to do with movies.
My prayers are with those families effected by what he did and I pray that Colorado sticks it to him in every way, shape, and form.
Absolutely disgusting to call him an American citizen.
This freak is a domestic terrorist. He had at least most of this planned for a long time.
Who knows if it was for the release of this movie, I honestly don't believe that has anything to do with what he did, as diabolical and disgusting as it is.
He knew there would be a big crowd of people there to see the movie.
He went there to do one thing.
He could've done the exact same thing at a 4th of July fireworks gathering, in a Mall when Santa is there, etc.....
He went to where the crowd was, nothing to do with movies.
My prayers are with those families effected by what he did and I pray that Colorado sticks it to him in every way, shape, and form.
Absolutely disgusting to call him an American citizen.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 9:24 am to OMLandshark
Lindsay Lohan will do something stupid, or details will come out in Tom Cruise's divorce or something brand new but equally banal will come along and our brilliant and ethical media will just move on.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 3:59 pm to OMLandshark
This is where I think you're wrong. You think that just because there is a public outcry against something that it will somehow cease to exist. People have hated on violent video games and suggestive lyrics since the 90s and are games are more violent and our music more explicit. Studios are a money making business and will never forget what makes them money. As long as gory, violent, morally ambiguous movies continue to score big at the box office, they will continue to make them no matter what the public sentiment is. The media can cry havoc all they want, but as long as people still show up at the theater asking for a ticket, violent movies will get made.
I do agree with you on premise, that we are entering a dark age of cinema. However, I do not agree that the demise of cinema will be because there's not enough violent, morally ambiguous films being made. I argue that the decline will be based on a lack of creativity, a lack of willingness by the industry to take risks with innovative ideas, and a continuously shrinking market share as innovation brings direct to viewer movies on a much wider scale.
The truth is, the movie industry is on te verge of hard times. I believe that 2012 will go down as the "pride before the fall", the great long summer that they thought would last forever. Don't be fooled, winter is coming...and zombies, don't forget zombies![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
I do agree with you on premise, that we are entering a dark age of cinema. However, I do not agree that the demise of cinema will be because there's not enough violent, morally ambiguous films being made. I argue that the decline will be based on a lack of creativity, a lack of willingness by the industry to take risks with innovative ideas, and a continuously shrinking market share as innovation brings direct to viewer movies on a much wider scale.
The truth is, the movie industry is on te verge of hard times. I believe that 2012 will go down as the "pride before the fall", the great long summer that they thought would last forever. Don't be fooled, winter is coming...and zombies, don't forget zombies
![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
Posted on 2/4/13 at 4:51 pm to OMLandshark
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will from this point on adopt a more James Cameron or Michael Bay approach. Over-the-top villains, a forced message, and violence kept to merely cartoonish and completely nonbelievable standards. The producers will now be meddling to the extreme with great directors visions, and thus we'll now be victims to dozens upon dozens of Spiderman 3s.
NOOOOOOOO
Posted on 2/5/13 at 7:23 am to OMLandshark
TLDR
Hollywood knows what sells. They will never stop pumping out a bit of the ultra violence and sex. Never.
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Hollywood knows what sells. They will never stop pumping out a bit of the ultra violence and sex. Never.
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