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Who was the better QB: Dan Marino or John Elway?
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:22 pm
Both QBs were in the same draft class and are usually ranked very close to each other in all-time QB rankings. Who do you have ranked higher on your all-time QB list?
Case for Marino
Was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB (Destroys Elway in TD/INT ratio and has the edge in Comp%, TD%, INT%, YPA, QB rating and pretty much every other passing stat you can think of)
Was 2-1 against Elway and badly outplayed him in head to head meetings (Marino against Broncos: 74-
118, 62.7 Comp%, 888 yards, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 94.88 QB rating, Elway against Dolphins: 45-96, 46.9 Comp%, 583 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs, 6.1 YPA, 56.9 QB rating)
Never had a rushing attack ranked higher than 13th in his career at a time when a good running game was essential to winning the Super Bowl
Had a top 10 defense only five times in his career, by contrast Elway had a defense that ranked in the top 10 in points allowed per game nine times
Case for Elway
Led his team to three Super Bowls in the '80s compared to only one for Marino despite having a very limited supporting cast
Had far inferior talent at WR compared to Marino until the tail end of his career (Nobody will ever mistake Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson for the Marks brothers)
Was a better playoff QB and clutch performer than Marino (Had a better QB rating and averaged over a yard more per pass attempt in the playoffs and had numerous signature moments in the clutch that Marino just doesn't have)
Was a better running QB than Marino and opposing teams had to account for his ability to beat them with his arm or his legs
Case for Marino
Was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB (Destroys Elway in TD/INT ratio and has the edge in Comp%, TD%, INT%, YPA, QB rating and pretty much every other passing stat you can think of)
Was 2-1 against Elway and badly outplayed him in head to head meetings (Marino against Broncos: 74-
118, 62.7 Comp%, 888 yards, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 94.88 QB rating, Elway against Dolphins: 45-96, 46.9 Comp%, 583 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs, 6.1 YPA, 56.9 QB rating)
Never had a rushing attack ranked higher than 13th in his career at a time when a good running game was essential to winning the Super Bowl
Had a top 10 defense only five times in his career, by contrast Elway had a defense that ranked in the top 10 in points allowed per game nine times
Case for Elway
Led his team to three Super Bowls in the '80s compared to only one for Marino despite having a very limited supporting cast
Had far inferior talent at WR compared to Marino until the tail end of his career (Nobody will ever mistake Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson for the Marks brothers)
Was a better playoff QB and clutch performer than Marino (Had a better QB rating and averaged over a yard more per pass attempt in the playoffs and had numerous signature moments in the clutch that Marino just doesn't have)
Was a better running QB than Marino and opposing teams had to account for his ability to beat them with his arm or his legs
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Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:26 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Elway. Marino has no SB. Ergo, Elway. Laces out.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:27 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Marino was the best passer I ever so but overall I would have to take Elway -- he was the Peyton of his day
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:30 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Really close. Both are in my top 5 of all-time.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:31 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Was a better playoff QB and clutch performer than Marino
Elway had some of the worst SuperBowl performamces
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:18 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Marino
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:22 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Dan Marino.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:23 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Who was the better QB
quote:
Was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB (Destroys Elway in TD/INT ratio and has the edge in Comp%, TD%, INT%, YPA, QB rating and pretty much every other passing stat you can think of)
I think you answered your own question.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 11:25 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
I know my post is on page 2, but:
IN!
IN!
Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:14 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
JMO and I'm sure I don't care as much as a bunch of people who really love one or the other
Elway was the better athlete and more versatile player. Marino was the superior passer and teh superior QB IMO
Elway was the better athlete and more versatile player. Marino was the superior passer and teh superior QB IMO
Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:20 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
Elway had his own NES football game.
In all seriousness, I always thought of him as the better QB growing up.
In all seriousness, I always thought of him as the better QB growing up.
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 12:27 am
Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:23 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
John Elway - The any era QB.
He was almost the perfect mold from clay all-around QB - fantastic athlete, great speed, fleet of foot and a gift from God as an arm.
Marino was probably the best pure passer ever with his release but if I'm starting a team from any era to move the ball - it's John Elway.
He was almost the perfect mold from clay all-around QB - fantastic athlete, great speed, fleet of foot and a gift from God as an arm.
Marino was probably the best pure passer ever with his release but if I'm starting a team from any era to move the ball - it's John Elway.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:50 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
This is the kind of question where you can tell alot about the person based on their answer... anyone who thinks elway was even in the same class as Marino is borderline retarded. Marino was the superior player in every way. Elway lucked out and hung around long enough to play on a loaded team. his backup in 98, bubby brister actually performed better than him. And SBs are a team accomplishment anyway. Marino's 84 season is still the best all around season by a qb
Posted on 12/27/11 at 1:43 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:08 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
As far as the debate for, "who was the best overall QB ever," I think you can realistically name about 5 or 6 people and have a solid argument. Quarterback is a vastly complex position, and there are so many aspects that go into making greatness.
Now, as far as who the best pure passer ever was, the only guy who even comes close to Dan Marino is Peyton Manning, and he still isn't even that close.
Just as Ron Jaworski said during the telecast last night even after Brees broke the record, "No one...and I mean no one could throw the ball like Dan Marino."
Now, as far as who the best pure passer ever was, the only guy who even comes close to Dan Marino is Peyton Manning, and he still isn't even that close.
Just as Ron Jaworski said during the telecast last night even after Brees broke the record, "No one...and I mean no one could throw the ball like Dan Marino."
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:19 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
They are even. Marino with the quick release, Elway with the bazooka for an arm and scrambling ability. They were both money at the end of the game unlike Aikman. Elway and Marino played much of their careers with weak defenses and no running game so they were in similar situation. Elway was more capable of taking over a game by himself though but I still rate them even.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:24 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
If I own random NFL team and I can choose either at the age of 22, I'm drafting Elway.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 3:41 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Who was the better QB: Dan Marino or John Elway?
quote:If you're gonna ask and answer your own question what the frick do you need us for?
Marino was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/27/11 at 7:36 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Marino for all of the reasons you cited.
Besides, Elway was a pussy for avoiding the Colts.
Besides, Elway was a pussy for avoiding the Colts.
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