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What do you guys think about oversigning?
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:30 pm
I was looking at the UGA message board last night and saw a poster talking about January 9th being the 'Oversigning' bowl. The doggies, as well as others, seem to think that we (and Bama,UF) are committing a monumental violation of unethical proportions by signing 23, 25, 27 some-odd recruits each year and then "forcing 3-4 every year to quit" or medically disqualifying as to make the 85 max scholarship players. Does anyone think Miles is sitting there saying, "come here and you are guaranteed four years on scholarship no matter what, even if you make trouble, perform poorly academically, have compounding injury problems, or never touch the field and end up offering nothing to the team."
Or do you think it is perfectly acceptable to tell a recruit that he may not have his scholarship renewed at year end if an above scenario presents itself?
I guess the question is should a recruit have his scholarship guaranteed for four years no matter what? After all, they are renewed yearly, and not a 4 year promise
Or do you think it is perfectly acceptable to tell a recruit that he may not have his scholarship renewed at year end if an above scenario presents itself?
I guess the question is should a recruit have his scholarship guaranteed for four years no matter what? After all, they are renewed yearly, and not a 4 year promise
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 7:33 pm
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Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:41 pm to catfish 62
Scholarships should never be guaranteed because of instances where behavior or grades get in the way. Oversigning may not be the most ethical thing but its not against any regs. Its better than signing 20 guys then having 5 not qualify then your short players, other teams fans are just butthurt cause they can't recruit players that we have the past ten years
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:44 pm to catfish 62
ESPN Outside The Lines did a feature on oversigning. Prominently portraying LSU and Bama for some reason. It is done all over the country, but for some reason is felt to be mostly an SEC phenomenon.
If someone had more energy than me, they could google the results of last year's (this year's) vote at the SEC meetings about the matter.
I personally think it's lying to the student athlete. If you lose a scholarship player--for any reason--give that scholarship to a walk-on.
If someone had more energy than me, they could google the results of last year's (this year's) vote at the SEC meetings about the matter.
I personally think it's lying to the student athlete. If you lose a scholarship player--for any reason--give that scholarship to a walk-on.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:48 pm to catfish 62
I only have a problem with it if you convince a kid to come to your school and then before fall practice, yank the schollie. If it's done through normal attrition, no problem.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 7:54 pm to catfish 62
I think over signing is horseshite.
I also think attrition is horseshite.
Having said that what do folks expect when $abun is allowed to do whatever.
The head coaches are being paid millions.... im sure many other corrupt issues exist.
Bama started the coaching arms race......the rest of us are just trying to keep up. It does have ripple affects. Oversigning is one of them.
When you make your HC the highest paid in the land before he has even stepped on your field ......
I also think attrition is horseshite.
Having said that what do folks expect when $abun is allowed to do whatever.
The head coaches are being paid millions.... im sure many other corrupt issues exist.
Bama started the coaching arms race......the rest of us are just trying to keep up. It does have ripple affects. Oversigning is one of them.
When you make your HC the highest paid in the land before he has even stepped on your field ......
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:12 pm to catfish 62
I think that it is an unfortunate consequence of the BCS system. At Alabama, Saban does not promise anything but an opportunity to compete. I think he helps those players who are unsatisfied with their playing time to transfer where they may have better opportunities. As far as medical redshirts, the kids remain on scholarship but no longer play. If the kids don't progress, then their scholarship may not be renewed. This is a cruel reality.
The new SEC rules allowing only 25 LOIs per year and the fact that the SEC will oversee the medical redshirts should mean greater fairness for the student athlete. All coaches will now have some oversight as to their roster management.
I guess if you are substantially under the 85 you can take over the 25 if you have EEs in the middle of the year.
The new SEC rules allowing only 25 LOIs per year and the fact that the SEC will oversee the medical redshirts should mean greater fairness for the student athlete. All coaches will now have some oversight as to their roster management.
I guess if you are substantially under the 85 you can take over the 25 if you have EEs in the middle of the year.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:14 pm to catfish 62
You find instances of over signing in other conferences as well, like the following non SEC schools who have signed 26 or more in at least one recruiting class from 2005 through 2011, and a number of them have done so more than once, and some signing 30+ recruits:
Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, West Virginia, Louisville, Kansas, Southern Cal, Florida State, Notre Dame, Pitt, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Illinois, Michigan State, Oregon State, Kansas State, Purdue, Oregon, Cal, Va.Tech, Colorado, Maryland, Washington, Syracuse, Miami, Clemson, Minnesota, Arizona State, Boston College, Southern Miss., North Carolina, UCLA, Penn State, South Florida, Michigan, BYU, Houston, Virginia, UCF and SMU.
I notice that there are several Big 10 schools in the list.
Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, West Virginia, Louisville, Kansas, Southern Cal, Florida State, Notre Dame, Pitt, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Illinois, Michigan State, Oregon State, Kansas State, Purdue, Oregon, Cal, Va.Tech, Colorado, Maryland, Washington, Syracuse, Miami, Clemson, Minnesota, Arizona State, Boston College, Southern Miss., North Carolina, UCLA, Penn State, South Florida, Michigan, BYU, Houston, Virginia, UCF and SMU.
I notice that there are several Big 10 schools in the list.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:21 pm to catfish 62
The only instances where a scholarship should be pulled is for academic reasons or if a player is not putting forth the effort that a coach expects. If he just happens to suck, so be it. Chalk that one up to the coaches and their evaluations. If a kid puts forth the effort, he should remain on scholarship. However, if he shows up, does nothing and doesn't try to help the team win, he should go.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:22 pm to catfish 62
We havent really oversigned. Not even close to bama and auburn. That otl was shite. Go back and look at the numbers.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:33 pm to catfish 62
Not against the rules....college football is big business. What is ethical will be sacrificed at the alter of winning.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:36 pm to catfish 62
1. If we are forcing guys to quit, why is our graduation rate higher than UGA?
2. Just because a player is cut, doesn't mean he can't play elsewhere or finish college on his own like the rest of us.
3. The NCAA does not allow 4 year scholarships.
4. Anyone can see the number if commits before signing day and switch to another school
2. Just because a player is cut, doesn't mean he can't play elsewhere or finish college on his own like the rest of us.
3. The NCAA does not allow 4 year scholarships.
4. Anyone can see the number if commits before signing day and switch to another school
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:42 pm to catfish 62
I don't have a problem with oversigning by a couple with the expectation that one or two of every signing class ends up not qualifying for one reason or another....
now, I was pissed a few years ago ole mrs signed about 40 players just to get a "highly ranked" recruiting class knowing that they didn't have room for half of them...that is not fair to anyone involved...
I love recruiting, but am actually kind of put off by the whole system of dishonesty of both schools and players in comitting to one another and then decommitting/revoking scholarships...
now, I was pissed a few years ago ole mrs signed about 40 players just to get a "highly ranked" recruiting class knowing that they didn't have room for half of them...that is not fair to anyone involved...
I love recruiting, but am actually kind of put off by the whole system of dishonesty of both schools and players in comitting to one another and then decommitting/revoking scholarships...
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:44 pm to catfish 62
if you don't keep your gpa up, you lose your academic scholarship
if you don't work to keep your football scholarship, why should you be entitled to keep it?
if you don't work to keep your football scholarship, why should you be entitled to keep it?
Posted on 12/13/11 at 8:51 pm to catfish 62
quote:these are not reasons to pull a scholarship, unless you're a lying sack of shite.
have compounding injury problems, or never touch the field and end up offering nothing to the team."
Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:53 pm to catfish 62
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I was looking at the UGA message board last night and saw a poster talking about January 9th being the 'Oversigning' bowl.
just another butthurt (yelp, yelp) dog trying to rationalise mediocrity.
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guess the question is should a recruit have his scholarship guaranteed for four years no matter what?
you sayin' we own RP money....see what I mean? big fat neaux.
uga=whining preppy asshats who couldn't give a rat's arse about black kids, unless...they can ball.Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:21 pm to catfish 62
I think it is better than undersigning.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 2:08 pm to catfish 62
quote:
What do you guys think about oversigning?
I use the perception over reality philosophy.
The perception is some schools do it(LSU\BAMA\Fla) and others are playing by the rules.
The perception is the scholarship is a four year (binding)commitment between the student athlete and the institution.
The reality is all of the successful programs practice this "numbers management" through grey shirts, preferred walk-ons, early enrollment, JUCO placement...and yes forced attrition.
The reality is big time college football is about doing it better than the other guy and words like commitment, loyalty, accountability and trust are all subject to change under the unwritten rule.
everyone who is not on the winning end of this practice will bitch about it, while those who are successful through these practices will keep their comments to themselves.
This is MHO and not the gospel or the final word on the subject.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/14/11 at 2:32 pm to catfish 62
Can someone please tell me what's unethical about taking away a scholarship from someone? The school is paying for you to get an education. You didn't earn that for being an outstanding high school athlete. Granted, initially you do, but everyone knows the requirements of maintaining that earned free/partially free ride.
Posted on 12/14/11 at 3:12 pm to catfish 62
My dad (former player) thinks this oversigning stuff is a joke. They used to have to sign 50 kids a year because only 20 or so would stay the entire 4 years because of grades or just quitting. Of course, Freshman didn't play either.
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