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re: LSU Football Players "implicated" in bar fight

Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:09 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262994 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:09 am to
quote:

"most Marines are douches and like to make trouble".



I read some of those, and it just shows you some people are stupid for life.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:09 am to
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That doesn't offend you, I get that. You feel that someone that dodges bullets and IED's in a war zone deserves no more benefit of the doubt than a person that makes chicken tenders and sloppy joe's at your kid's elementary school. No problem. That's your opinion, and I have mine. No worries.


People here know him and he's never been in a combat zone.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47819 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:11 am to
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Actually it's Senior Chief (Retired) .. I was never an officer .. but I figured you needed to be told 12 times before you understood since you had no friggin idea what you were talking about!!

I understood the first time, thats why the second time i made the grasshopper comment, and forgive my arrogance and thank you for your service
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8186 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:12 am to
I see your point I really do and some of the statements may have gone over the line. I know some of it, like "the marine stuck his nose in where it didnt along" might not neccesarily be derogatory but is just an indenifier. I've been calling them the marine and the driver just bc theres alot of people involved. Just like saying "a black guy" did something doesn't make you racist it's just an idenifier. As to the second i really hope no one said most marines are douches, im sure there's the same ratio of douches to non douches as there are in the general american public. However you have to admit there might be something to the theory that him being a marine might have contributed to him thinking he could handle what reports say vary between
3-30 very large and in shape football players. Not saying he started anything, he very well could've been acting the hero but I think a non-marine is more likely to stay out of that fight. And that's all people may have meant
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:13 am to
Even though I don't think people in the military are special I will say this in your defense.....the board had a VERY different attitude towards the military after Bin Ladin was captured than they have tonight. VERY DIFFERENT!!!!!!! That night if anyone would have said that a Marine deserved to be treated the same as a cafeteria worker they would have been crucified and probably banned.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
90087 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:14 am to
Okay guys, let's get back on topic...

To sum up, I think we can all agree that we respect and appreciate what those who have served our country have done for us.


Now, if JJ were to just be suspended...

Does anyone know if Lee is #2, or is it Mett?
Posted by Tigers58
Athens, AL
Member since Jun 2005
1076 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:15 am to
It's cool. There has been alot of love floating around this topic tonight and just figured I would join in. After all, I wasted 8 hours at work tonight reading all 188 pages (at the time) and didn't get shite accomplished. Beer is helping though!
Posted by dbbuilder79
Overton NV
Member since Dec 2010
4190 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:15 am to
I found this article... I'm thinking the author isn't a big fan of our Tigers. sorry if Germans

J "pick six Lee"??



The comments are what caught my eye, tho.

Reports are he threw several punches, none of which landed near his intended target.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34025 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:15 am to
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Lee is #2


He took some snaps with the ones in the scrimmage yesterday.
Posted by Subdivision
St. Tammany
Member since Oct 2006
93 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:16 am to
Everyone needs to stop making a big deal over the guy being a Marine.
25 years ago when I was in the Marine Corps, Marines got into fights all the time and often lost. 90% of the fights in bars that I saw Marines in (and I participated in a few) involved Marines fighting other Marines.

There are NO heroes in a bar fight. The so-called witness who proclaimed the so-called Marine to be a "hero" is this fight was probably drunk as a skunk himself.

I'll tell you right now, I am 5'8" 165 lbs and at the peak of my conditioning I could not have fought a 6'5" 230 lb athlete. The Marine Corps doesn't train Marines for bar fights or to fight guys who are damn near twice your size. HELL, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A FACKING RIFLE, which the Marine Corps does an excellent job of training Marines to use.

But not in bar parking lots at 0200.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47819 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:16 am to
I would guess Lee unless he messes up then the chosen one would make his appearance..
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
90087 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:17 am to
that has to be one of the worst sites I've ever seen.

do you actually waste your time on there?
Posted by Jacuzzitub
San Diego
Member since Mar 2008
359 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:19 am to
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what have you been offended by? most of what I've seen is that servicemen are normal citizens and aren't entitled to special privileges... I don't think this Marine catching an asswhopping is any more or less disgusting than one of any other profession catching one.


I know Marines fight in bars. Believe me, I know that. I've known many unworthy Marines. I know Marines are just citizens like everyone else. I don't think they deserve special privileges. But that's not at issue here.

At issue are the knee-jerk reactions of certain posters on this board to minimize the importance of military service, simply because a Marine might have been a victim of attack by the LSU starting quarterback. It shows what really matters when the chips are down. Shower the veteran with empty words of thanks and praise, but shut him up if he endangers football season.

The moment it came out that this kid might have been a Marine, an immediate effort was made by certain posters on this board to minimize him, to compare the importance of what he does to that of a teacher or a garbage man.

Let me explain to you why this upsets me. This nation is only just now emerging from ten long years of war. In this war, only a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population volunteered to go fight. Thousands of them died. Tens of thousands of them were maimed. Hundreds of thousands saw and did things that will never leave them. Granted this was their job, they volunteered for it and they were paid for it. But it is not the same thing as being a teacher or a garbage man. It is not in the same universe as being a teacher or a garbage man.

And those of you who wish to ignore this fact because the starting LSU quarterback kicked a veteran in the head need to reflect a moment.

If the victim was a service-member, in or out of uniform, that matters.
Posted by TxHillsTiger
Austin
Member since Feb 2009
839 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:20 am to
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just meant I don't think any profession makes anyone more or less a subject to the law or to basic rights of humanity.


I agree with that. I also feel fairly confident that anyone that has served on active duty will agree with that sentiment.

I will say however, earlier in the thread there seemed to be a debate on who to believe, a young co-ed saying "the football players were NOT involved"... and a Marine saying, "some football players beat my arse". In that situation, I gotta give the benefit of the doubt to the Marine (even if said Marine was a prick in high school sometimes and has never been to a war zone).
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36905 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:23 am to
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At issue are the knee-jerk reactions of certain posters on this board to minimize the importance of military service, simply because a Marine might have been a victim of attack by the LSU starting quarterback. It shows what really matters when the chips are down.


either way, his being a marine doesnt matter.

i don't understand how you can be looking at this the way you are.

if he is a victim then those that wronged him should be punished.

but we don't know if he was the victim.

i really don't understand your stance.

quote:

And those of you who wish to ignore this fact because the starting LSU quarterback kicked a veteran in the head need to reflect a moment


allegedly.
This post was edited on 8/20/11 at 1:25 am
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8186 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:24 am to
Unfortunately I think Lee is the number 2. Let's get him to Ed Norton someone too and then we can just go straight to Mett. Btw i agree with everything jacuzzi said except for the part about it mattering. And the teachers thing bc that's actually really important and our education system being like 30th in the world is actually way more worrisome long term than the fighting in the middle east. But yea i hope jefferson didnt do anything
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34025 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:24 am to
quote:

At issue are the knee-jerk reactions of certain posters on this board to minimize the importance of military service, simply because a Marine might have been a victim of attack by the LSU starting quarterback. It shows what really matters when the chips are down. Shower the veteran with empty words of thanks and praise, but shut him up if he endangers football season.


I've read this whole thread and I concede that some of our fans have made these types of comments. However, out of the hundreds of LSU fans that have commented, there has only been a few of these comments. To insinuate that the select few are an accurate representation of the majority or even a large amount of the fanbase is unfounded.
Posted by GoldenTiger85
Member since Aug 2009
8332 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:25 am to
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a veteran


Dude just finished basic training, hardly a veteran.

Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:26 am to
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If the victim was a service-member, in or out of uniform, that matters.


No it doesn't.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36905 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 1:26 am to
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I've read this whole thread and I concede that some of our fans have made these types of comments.


where?
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