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re: To All CFB fans regarding the NCAA
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:57 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:57 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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but to suspend all current sanctions for any school is ludicrous. You can argue that rules aren't enforced equally (I don't agree regarding USC), but the fact remains that schools under sanctions were caught breaking NCAA rules.
This is happening right now and has happened at the federal level with regard to prison sentences for drug related offenses. People don't have to serve out their term when bad laws are changed because they happened to have been caught under said law.
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Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:58 pm to Trojan Ace
Someone is butthurt.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:00 pm to Trojan Ace
So you're lobbying against something that the institutions signed up for and imposed on themselves willingly? Good luck with that.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:01 pm to KosmoCramer
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Sounds like sour grapes
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:03 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Someone is butthurt.
A whole bunch of people. But we gotta move on. Time to move on.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:06 pm to Zamoro10
The only rule that was changed was about severity of punishments based on past precedent. The actual rules that USC broke were on the books at the time. Again, you can complain about the severity of punishment, but not the actual punishment.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:08 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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the fact remains that schools under sanctions were caught breaking NCAA rules.
This is a half-truth which most people aren't understating...
...caught breaking the NCAA's interpretation of their rules which seems to be reinterpreted and expanded in the punishment phase on an individual basis.
For enforcement efforts to be effective, the NCAA's laws must be clear and unambiguous and applied neutrally just like no citizen can be convicted under a law which is ambiguous as to what behavior it proscribes.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:09 pm to Trojan Ace
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:12 pm to Zamoro10
Ok, let's make this easy then.....
Did student athletes at USC (Bush and Mayo) receive extra benefits while playing college athletics?
Yes or no... There is no middle ground, and yes is a NCAA violation.
Did student athletes at USC (Bush and Mayo) receive extra benefits while playing college athletics?
Yes or no... There is no middle ground, and yes is a NCAA violation.
quote:You mean like different people getting different sentences for the same crime. Happens all the time in the real world. There is no one size fits all judgement....the law provides a maximum punishment for breaking a specific law, not a standard.
NCAA's laws must be clear and unambiguous and applied neutrally just like no citizen can be convicted under a law which is ambiguous as to what behavior it proscribes
This post was edited on 6/16/11 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:15 pm to Trojan Ace
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A group of lobbyist, including myself, have begun a consortium to fight the NCAA and its arbitrary handling of matters regarding all institutions and sports affiliated with college athletics.
what exactly are you going to accomplish, realistically?
Fight your good fight, but you gon lose.
This post was edited on 6/16/11 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:27 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
Btw, many very high profile people affiliated with athletics from many different conferences are involved in this. Unfortunately for many here this is not a USC thing.
There is a lot of traction with various factions in the SEC. Unknown to most of you, the SEC is actually despised by the NCAA.
The NCAA power base is the Big 10, which surprised even me.
Judge it however you want, but this is not a fight that will disappear easily.
You'll be hearing more about it as time goes on. Just realize that because I love this board and am from Louisiana, I shared this with you.
There is a lot of traction with various factions in the SEC. Unknown to most of you, the SEC is actually despised by the NCAA.
The NCAA power base is the Big 10, which surprised even me.
Judge it however you want, but this is not a fight that will disappear easily.
You'll be hearing more about it as time goes on. Just realize that because I love this board and am from Louisiana, I shared this with you.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:29 pm to Trojan Ace
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Just realize that because I love this board and am from Louisiana, I shared this with you.
oh i feel so privileged now. thanks for sharing this to all of us. we really appreciate it!!!!!!
Posted on 6/16/11 at 10:30 pm to Trojan Ace
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[quote]ou'll be hearing more about it as time goes on. Just realize that because I love this board and am from Louisiana, I shared this with you.
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting and good luck to you
This post was edited on 6/16/11 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:38 pm to Trojan Ace
No thanks.
Nobody in DC or in SoCal gave a shite when Alabama got prison raped.
It's y'alls turn.
Nobody in DC or in SoCal gave a shite when Alabama got prison raped.
It's y'alls turn.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:51 am to Zamoro10
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The University of Southern California and all other universities across this country don't fork over their due process rights because they happen to play sports...just like you don't waive your fourth amendment right to privacy when you buy an airplane ticket...but I guess you suppose that you should.
Fine, feel free to leave. I'm pretty sure the NCAA is a "voluntary" organization that isn't forcing any university to be a member. But don't expect to have the NCAA allow its other member schools be allowed to play you unless they also want to leave. And most don't want to risk anything for the chance at "freedom" that you're preaching.
USC doesn't have to follow their limits in regards to penalties and scholarships but don't expect to get to play the other NCAA member schools.
This post was edited on 6/17/11 at 12:52 am
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:48 am to bbrownso
Love it or leave it...that's the refrain?
I am sure a lot of people could leave the US due to inequitable legislation or they could lobby their legislature for reform...
In America, we do have freedom for change...
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And most don't want to risk anything for the chance at "freedom" that you're preaching.
Wow.
If most people thought like this, the NCAA would still control the television rights to football games and you wouldn't get to watch your precious team play on Saturday.
In 1984, the NCAA lost control of regular-season football television rights when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against the Association in a landmark antitrust case.
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In 1981, National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) adopted a plan for the televising of college football games of its member institutions for the 1982-1985 seasons. The plan recites that it is intended to reduce the adverse effect of live television upon football game attendance. The plan limits the total amount of televised intercollegiate football games and the number of games that any one college may televise, and no member of the NCAA is permitted to make any sale of television rights except in accordance with the plan.
The justification of the smart guys at the NCAA:
"The product itself is insufficiently attractive to draw live attendance when faced with competition from televised games."
"The NCAA's original plan provided that only one game a week could be telecast in each area and a team could appear on television only twice during a season."
The court found that: the plan has operated to raise price and reduce output, both of which are unresponsive to consumer preference.
Yeah, trying to reform the looney ideas of a few men inside the NCAA who want to tell us what's good for us is too scary.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:04 am to Zamoro10
Aside from NCAA reform, your aim is to clear USC of any wrongdoing because of ambiguous rules.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:10 am to Trojan Ace
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A group of lobbyist, including myself, have begun a consortium to fight the NCAA and its arbitrary handling of matters regarding all institutions and sports affiliated with college athletics.
POWER PLAYERS!
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An AmLaw 100 legal firm has been engaged and has agreed to represent this group once it has been formally established, and all filings for its status as an entity are completed.
they will gladly take your money
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An international public relations group has also agreed to handle all media and awareness of this group once formally established.
very important for europe and latin america to get behind your cause
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A leading think tank and lobbying group has also agreed to be involved in the handling of legislative matters in regards to the mission of this group.
they will gladly take your money
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One thing that needs to be made clear in this process is that this is not just about the University of Southern California and the sanctions levied on the Trojans. This is about oversight of all athletics under the umbrella of the NCAA.
you know what USC can do? leave the NCAA
USC VOLUNTARILY joined the organization. nobodoy put a gun to its head to force joinder
USC has as many votes as EVERY OTHER school. if USC doesn't like the rules, why not try to change them?
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Again this is not just about USC. This is about UCLA, Notre Dame, Texas, LSU, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State, and all institutions of higher learning being policed by a system of mandates where the punishment in many instances does not fit the issues at hand.
the policies and punishments are levied by the institutions themselves
what are you trying to change?
are you trying to remove a school like USC from the process?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:11 am to Zamoro10
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The NCAA isn't God...they are just a bunch of stuffed shirts like the good folks at Enron - failing miserably in their oversight duties and reform is needed like in any business.
the NCAA is a group of universities, including USC
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:13 am to Trojan Ace
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The NCAA power base is the Big 10, which surprised even me.
well this proves that you are, in fact, clueless
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