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re: LSU Basketball is DOA...
Posted on 1/30/11 at 9:13 pm to jr33
Posted on 1/30/11 at 9:13 pm to jr33
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Wow...I actually thought from reading some of your post you knew a little about bb. You actually think this team can get in the NIT. This team losing to Nicholls, NTSU was no fluke, those teams beat us 9 our ten times
Obviously you didn't get it. This team doesn't deserve to be in the NIT but if they ended the season with 17 wins - which would have been likley had they just had better OOC games, then they'd be a low seed in the NIT. This team hung with Memphis and beat Houston...and to act as though they could never beat North Texas is silly. With a good night, they could. They beat Arkansas.
*All of a sudden, I don't know basketball anymore simply because I stated that this team could have gobe to the NIT with a bounce or two more. I never said this team deserved it.
This post was edited on 1/30/11 at 9:16 pm
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Posted on 1/30/11 at 10:23 pm to PiscesTiger
Goose said it all. Got to agree with goose. No fundamentals. That is a sign of a bad coach. LSU is going to give TJ one more year just to "look good" and go through the motions. This assumes we don't continue to get blown out. I have been attending LSU BB games since 1972 and never left early until this year. Sometimes I leave at the half now and may not even attend some of the remaining games despite having mid court seats. TJ has plenty of games left in this season. If he can coach, then he will at least start being competitive even if we lose. Otherwise, he will lose control and be on his way.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 6:48 am to jdsbengaltiger
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If TJ is a good coach why is the team getting worse?
Good question. I'd have to say poor recruiting, inexperience w/ young guys, no fundamentals, no rebounding, poor defense, no dicipline on offense, among other things.
I do think he's a good coach as we saw him take a bad bad team to the tourny and win the SEC in his first yr. Brady sucked w/ the same team and he had Randolph playing on it. I think TJ is a good coach, I just think he's lost control of the players and they play desparate and undiciplined after falling behind. They panic when it gets to be a 6 or 8 point ball game and start launching up 3's from half court. I'm sick of watching it, but I'm hoping that with the guys coming in next year it'll get better.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 8:48 am to Goose
Just because Trent Johnson isn't working out doesn't mean Brady was. I'm glad Brady is gone and am pretty much in the "now get rid of Trent Johnson" camp.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:02 am to Palm Beach Tiger
You guys are so impatient. I need someone to point out to me where is all the great talent from the state of Louisiana? John Brady made the Final Four with a team about 6 deep of players from within 45 miles of Baton Rouge. Since Trent Johnson has been here, the talent in Louisiana has been very mediocre. I think there are one or two guys, Langson Galloway and one other guy that went to Oklahoma St or somewhere similar, that are from Louisiana contributing on good Division 1 team. You Brady lovers need to quit kidding yourselves. Stromile Swift and Torrence Bright were from Louisiana, and most of the 2006 Final Four team were from right around Baton Rouge. John Brady got flat out lucky to get that kind of talent.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:23 am to xiv
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Before the previous season started.
I have seen some absurd things on this board but this may take the cake. There is absolutely NO way that you saw that team going to the final 4. Tyrus thomas was a kid who barely even got an offer much less was expected to experience a massive growth spurt during his redshirt freshman season. Unless you were watching practices and charting his progress there is absolutely no way. Calling it a tourney team I would understand but there is no way you saw them as a final four team.
Brady as of right now is = or > than TJ however he came off as a prick and no one wanted to admit that he knew some basketball and would try to make up for what he didnt know by recruiting big time athletes and letting them do their thing. TJ has shown to be stubborn with the 4 yr guy thing, but he has the resume/look/talk that the fans want so the majority want him to be better than Brady and will make excuses to justify that.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:36 am to Choupique19
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I need someone to point out to me where is all the great talent from the state of Louisiana? John Brady made the Final Four with a team about 6 deep of players from within 45 miles of Baton Rouge. Since Trent Johnson has been here, the talent in Louisiana has been very mediocre.
Whereas the state may not be dripping with basketball talent, I cannot believe that with the man being hired in April of '08 he can't cobble togethor enough players to at least be able to compete in the SEC. Not win the league, or even 'make a run'. This team hasn't just lost their last four games, they are so far behind in the first half the game is over. I just can't believe the players or so bad and devoid of talent that a capable coach couldn't at least get them to play hard and act like they know basic fundamentals.
I'm by no means a Brady fan or apologist. But go back to his 2000-2001 team. Injuries decimated that team when SEC play started. They went 2-14. But with the exception of the Kentucky game that year, they hung in ,fought and scrapped and gave it their all. This team is horrible. It looks like an intramural team coached by an insurance salesman on Saturday morning.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:46 am to Choupique19
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You guys are so impatient. I need someone to point out to me where is all the great talent from the state of Louisiana? John Brady made the Final Four with a team about 6 deep of players from within 45 miles of Baton Rouge. Since Trent Johnson has been here, the talent in Louisiana has been very mediocre. I think there are one or two guys, Langson Galloway and one other guy that went to Oklahoma St or somewhere similar, that are from Louisiana contributing on good Division 1 team. You Brady lovers need to quit kidding yourselves. Stromile Swift and Torrence Bright were from Louisiana, and most of the 2006 Final Four team were from right around Baton Rouge. John Brady got flat out lucky to get that kind of talent.
This isn't football. He can go out of state and get one stud a year to play on the team. If he had done that we would be fine right now.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:51 am to xiv
quote:What has this team done this year that has shown you improvement? I'm not on the fire TJ bandwagon yet, just asking an honest question. And why is it assumed that the longer he stays here, the better we'll be? If that were a given, then no school would ever fire a coach, right?
This year, the team has improved, and they likely will improve next year as well. That is good. Let's hope TJ keeps up the good work. If he does, LSU will be in the Final Four before the end of this decade.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 10:09 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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This isn't football. He can go out of state and get one stud a year to play on the team
You made your point with the first statement. LSU basketball is not the out of state draw that LSU football is. It's not so easy to go out and get the top players in other states to come to LSU. Dale Brown could do it. Then again, the NCAA was always closely monitoring how Daddy Dale was able to get these great players, and in the end, it got LSU on probation.
LSU needs some great in state talent to get the program strong enough to start recruiting regionally, or nationally.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 10:15 am to NaturalBeam
The least he can do as coach is to keep the games competitive. 20 plus point loss doesn't cut it.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 10:27 am to Choupique19
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Then again, the NCAA was always closely monitoring how Daddy Dale was able to get these great players, and in the end, it got LSU on probation.
If I'm not mistaken Lester Earl made the shite that got us on probation up?
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You made your point with the first statement. LSU basketball is not the out of state draw that LSU football is.
apparently not. My point was we only need to get one great player from out of state. Where as the football program needs to get many from out of state when La. house a down year in high school football recruiting.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/31/11 at 10:35 am to Palm Beach Tiger
I doubt TJs ability to recruit and evaluate talent.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 10:41 am to ninthward
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I doubt TJs ability to recruit and evaluate talent.
Me too. We actually looked well coached his first year and that doesn't just go away. Talent is def. the issue IMO.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 10:42 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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My point was we only need to get one great player from out of state.
So you're saying that Trent Johnson should be able walk into Kentucky and convince their best prep basketball player to turn down Kentucky and come to play for LSU in front of 1,800 mildly interested fans in the PMAC? Or go to Florida and have the great high school player bypass Florida and their 2 time National Championship winning coach? Or Texas? Or Kansas?
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:11 am to tduecen
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Whose expectations? No one expected LSU to win 20 games his first season and yet he did, that is exceeding... Last year many on this board said we were a fringe team and would have a losing record hey guess what we had a losing record. This year again people did not expect LSU to challenge in the SEC or make the tournament...
Looks to me he is actually meeting the expectations as I believe LSU was picked last in the West this past season. Maybe it is you who should lower your expectations, I would think John Brady would have taught you that.... I mean only 3 winning seasons in the SEC over a 11 seasons and only 4 NCAA berths in 11 seasons. Guess what Trent has 1 winning season and 1 NCAA berth in 3 seasons so he is ahead of John Brady at this point.
All true other than LSU was actually picked 5th in pre-season and is currently Fourth in the west.
Total horse sh*t to think that TJ is a colossal failure at this point. The three guys coming in next season will make a huge difference on this team. The days of being out-boarded will be at an end and another real perimeter option will be added.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:14 pm to Choupique19
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So you're saying that Trent Johnson should be able walk into Kentucky and convince their best prep basketball player to turn down Kentucky and come to play for LSU in front of 1,800 mildly interested fans in the PMAC? Or go to Florida and have the great high school player bypass Florida and their 2 time National Championship winning coach? Or Texas? Or Kansas?
Out of the other 49 states in the country? Yes, I think it isn't asking to much to find one guy that can come in a be a high quality player for us, when we are down in Louisiana.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 12:19 pm to Choupique19
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So you're saying that Trent Johnson should be able walk into Kentucky and convince their best prep basketball player to turn down Kentucky and come to play for LSU in front of 1,800 mildly interested fans in the PMAC? Or go to Florida and have the great high school player bypass Florida and their 2 time National Championship winning coach? Or Texas? Or Kansas?
Bruce Pearl recruits/recruited nationally at this point with a program with nowhere close to the successes as LSU's. The fan apathy is a direct result of the product Tj has put on the court. I went to games during Dales era and Bradys era the PMAC can be a good atmosphere. However the team is struggling and Tj is not a salesman/big personality like a Dale Brown or Bruce Pearl. I believe that TJ is a good Xs and Os but you gotta have the talent too.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 1:44 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Whereas the state may not be dripping with basketball talent, I cannot believe that with the man being hired in April of '08 he can't cobble togethor enough players to at least be able to compete in the SEC. Not win the league, or even 'make a run'.
Again. He already won the league. That buys him more than two seasons that anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge predicted would be tough ones. They need a separate board on the rant for those who may be passionate about LSU sports but don't really know doodley-squat about big-time collegiate sports IMO.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 1:48 pm to RANDY44
quote:So you're fine with shitty finishes as long as the fans grow to expect them? Awesome!
All true other than LSU was actually picked 5th in pre-season and is currently Fourth in the west.
Total horse sh*t to think that TJ is a colossal failure at this point
I guess as long as sports writers pick us to finish last every year, you'll be peach keen happy, as we surely can't finish any worse than that.
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