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re: 3rd and Chavis was squashed this year
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:46 pm to ItNeverRains
Posted on 12/12/10 at 10:46 pm to ItNeverRains
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Did we stop anyone who went for it on 4th down this season?
I'm pretty sure we did pretty good until the Ole Miss game when Nutt converted like 7 4th down conversions.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 11:42 pm to lsuexpert57
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Casual fans are infatuated with "schemes" because they really don't know what "schemes" are and if you put them in a film room and showed them 5 teams running 5 different "schemes" they wouldn't be able to identify the differences. Until you learn more about football you should refrain from being critical about the coaches strategies.
This.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 7:07 am to drtiger
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3rd and chavis was alive and well this year.
wow
It was overblown last year.
This year, you would have to be a fool to complain.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 7:09 am to DEG
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Actually we were ranked 20th in the nation in 3rd down defense this year, so I stand somewhat corrected.
Somewhat?
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We were 34th last year, which was better than I would have guessed.
You don't say
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:10 am to moneyg
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For me this one of the year's biggest surprises, that Chavis would be willing to be so aggressive. I admit I sold the man short, even though I should know better. He adjusted to his talent and showed that his rep as a top notch DC was well deserved. Kudo's Chief, and my apologies.
this. I wish he'd bring the house on third down every time, kinda like Satan used to do.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 11:07 pm to lsuexpert57
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There has never been a scheme that has made a tackle. Players make tackles, period. You don't stop the spread with some magic scheme. You stop it by your players executing the defense and making tackles.
Some tackling situations are easier than others. Good schemes maximize those and minimize others.
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If there was some magic scheme out there to stop the spread, it would be on film and every DC in the country would have copied it.
I don't doubt that scheme alone is not the answer. Obviously, some athleticism comes into play. But with our talent only the scheme is lacking. IMO, AU's O talent > than our D talent. But I don't think that was the case against OM.
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Casual fans are infatuated with "schemes" because they really don't know what "schemes" are and if you put them in a film room and showed them 5 teams running 5 different "schemes" they wouldn't be able to identify the differences. Until you learn more about football you should refrain from being critical about the coaches' strategies.
Here’s how I know our scheme failed against AU and OM: against AU Les gave up on the D when it was 4th and 6 on our 26 with 3 TO’s and 3+ minutes to play in a one-score game. Against OM, we had to score 40+ points to win. Let that sink in: “to defeat Ole Miss we will have to score over 40 pts to win.” That’s really a sad commentary on our D against that type of O.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 4:12 am to drtiger
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3rd and chavis was alive and well this year.
Do you have memory loss?
I LOVE people who just deny facts like they never happened.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:55 am to tigerbait2284
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3rd and Chavis was squashed this year
FAIL!
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:59 am to Doc Fenton
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This year we saw the new problem of not having any idea how to prep for Auburn or Ole Miss.
decent mobile QBs seem to give Chavis problems since hes been at LSU
This post was edited on 12/14/10 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/14/10 at 9:07 am to tigerbait2284
2284 u are a fricking idiot!
Posted on 12/14/10 at 10:36 am to lsuexpert57
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There has never been a scheme that has made a tackle. Players make tackles, period. You don't stop the spread with some magic scheme. You stop it by your players executing the defense and making tackles.
THIS + 1,000,000,000
It always amuses me to see the schemetards go off about scheme, which actually proves they know nothing about football and never sniffed the field, if they ever suited up. The scheme isn't very important, as long as the talent to run a specific scheme is there. LSU (and most big conference schools) have the talent to run whatever scheme they want to run. Football is a game of mismatches between individual players, identified in game planning by coaches and are set up throughout the game by the play calls. Execution is the player doing what he's been told to do all week. While we didn't do well against the two big athletic qb's we faced this year, who did? While the school of thought on Chief's scheme isn't what I would use if I was the DC, no one that has even the most basic understanding of the game will question its effectiveness - when executed properly. It's just that Cam and Massoli were mismatches we simply didn't, or couldn't, beat. And not because of scheme.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 10:51 am to lsuexpert57
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There has never been a scheme that has made a tackle. Players make tackles, period. You don't stop the spread with some magic scheme. You stop it by your players executing the defense and making tackles.
Exactly my take on this year's defense. Our tackling this year was our Achilles' heel. Having said that, Chavis is ultimately accountable for the poor tackling.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 11:05 am to tigerbait2284
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3rd and Chavis was squashed this year
resurfaced in last 4 games.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 11:01 pm to mikeytig
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resurfaced in last 4 games.
Really?
Why exactly would you think that?
Our opponent's completed 27.8% of there 3rd downs in the final 4 games and that is considered "resurfacing"?
Tough crowd.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 11:27 pm to GrantTheFan
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It always amuses me to see the schemetards go off about scheme, which actually proves they know nothing about football and never sniffed the field, if they ever suited up. The scheme isn't very important, as long as the talent to run a specific scheme is there. LSU (and most big conference schools) have the talent to run whatever scheme they want to run. Football is a game of mismatches between individual players, identified in game planning by coaches and are set up throughout the game by the play calls. Execution is the player doing what he's been told to do all week. While we didn't do well against the two big athletic qb's we faced this year, who did? While the school of thought on Chief's scheme isn't what I would use if I was the DC, no one that has even the most basic understanding of the game will question its effectiveness - when executed properly. It's just that Cam and Massoli were mismatches we simply didn't, or couldn't, beat. And not because of scheme.
It's not just the "casual" fan and the "schemetards" who recognize that Chavis's approach to spread-option O's is fundamentally flawed. This was my first comment to my friend walking out of TS after the OM game. It was also Gordy Rush's first comment on the post-game show.
Most would agree that there's not that much difference in talent between us and Bama on D. Bama gave up 567 yds combined to AU and OM (compare to 526 yds alone to AU and another 420 to OM).
I for one am really surprised that Tiger fans have acquiesced to such low expectations for our D. Chavis is a good DC. He could be much better if he re-thought his approach spread O’s.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 8:24 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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decent mobile QBs seem to give Chavis problems since hes been at LSU
Do you watch football, decent mobile QBs gives every team problems.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 9:02 am to AlwysATgr
quote:I agree. We did a lot better against Mallet this year except for those two fluke plays that doofus safety allowed.
Lest someone think I'm being unduly critical I thought our D (less #37) did OK against Arky
Even going bake to Pelini, our defense seems to get progressively worse as the year goes on. Our secondary was super exposed as a one trick pony against Ole Miss and Arkansas. Alabama rolled down the field on us at times and Auburn let everyone know we couldn't tackle.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 9:22 am to tigerbait2284
It was replaced by 4th and Chavis.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 9:32 am to alajones
quote:our guys look so beat up and tired. I know les has made some changes to the 4th qtr program, and wish they would make some major changes with it. Go back to having a martial arts instructor and yogalates.
our defense seems to get progressively worse as the year goes on.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 10:23 am to tigerbait2284
Chavis needs to go to defensive coordinator school over the summer or Oregon is going rack up 700 yards on us.
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