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LOTR question
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:00 pm
Who made the rings that were given to Men, Elves, and Dwarfs? And what do those rings do?
How was Sauron? able to make a ring to control those?
If an evil being can make such a powerful ring, why can't good create a ring to counter it?
How was Sauron? able to make a ring to control those?
If an evil being can make such a powerful ring, why can't good create a ring to counter it?
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:01 pm to TexasTigah
IIRC,
Sauron
Because he built those.
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Who made the rings that were given to Men, Elves, and Dwarfs?
Sauron
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How was Sauron? able to make a ring to control those?
Because he built those.
This post was edited on 11/30/10 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:17 pm to TN Bhoy
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:29 pm to TexasTigah
quote:
If an evil being can make such a powerful ring, why can't good create a ring to counter it?
I think becuase Good can't possibly be contained in a ring, becuase a ring of power is self severing, self containing. It is made to have power, it has the power to corrupt people and so on and so forth. Because of that you can't create a "good ring" to counter the bad ring or rings.
plus the good does counter it, just not in a ring. Think about it, the ring had a will of its own if it had a will of its own and nothing could overcome that will there is no way for the ring to be destroyed becuase the will of the ring will always win out. The ring though is destroyed, and this can only happened becuase there is another will that the ring of power couldn't control, and didn't expect to happen. Meaning the Good will in this instance overpowered the rings will meaning the ring can be destroyed. this is the deepest I can go into this stuff, but I know there are some other people who know this stuff alot better then I do.
This post was edited on 11/30/10 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:31 pm to WhiskeyTango
quote:Good call
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:45 pm to TexasTigah
quote:
If an evil being can make such a powerful ring, why can't good create a ring to counter it?
Here's my take on this question:
Sauron was essentially a demi-god, having been the chief lieutenant of Morgoth (who could be equated to Lucifer in Middle Earth mythos). At the time of the creation of the rings he was the most powerful entity on Middle Earth. He bound a great deal of his "life force" in the one ring when he created it, and there simply wasn't a single good being that could match that power.
Also, he was the one that taught the elves how to make rings, and they couldn't match up to his ability.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 7:25 am to TN Bhoy
quote:
Sauron
Incorrect
He made the Seven and the Nine (the latter of which is why the men turned into wraiths bound to him).
The Elven rings were made by Celebrimdor (an elf) with knowledge from Sauron, but no direct involvement.
This is why where the other rings makes you a slave to Sauron, the elves can still use theirs. They were still somewhat tied to the One Ring though and their power was broken when it was destroyed. It played a role in the diminishing of the elves and them leaving middle-earth for good.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 8:01 am to TexasTigah
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How was Sauron? able to make a ring to control those?
Because he was Melkor's chief Lieutenant.
Haven't you ever read the Simillarion?
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:10 am to catholictigerfan
quote:
plus the good does counter it, just not in a ring. Think about it, the ring had a will of its own if it had a will of its own and nothing could overcome that will there is no way for the ring to be destroyed becuase the will of the ring will always win out. The ring though is destroyed, and this can only happened becuase there is another will that the ring of power couldn't control, and didn't expect to happen. Meaning the Good will in this instance overpowered the rings will meaning the ring can be destroyed. this is the deepest I can go into this stuff, but I know there are some other people who know this stuff alot better then I do.
But didn't Frodo decide not to destroy the ring, and it was only Gollum’s lust for the ring that caused it to fall into the fire of Mount Doom.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:12 am to TN Bhoy
quote:
Because he built those.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:34 am to crash1211
quote:
But didn't Frodo decide not to destroy the ring, and it was only Gollum’s lust for the ring that caused it to fall into the fire of Mount Doom.
exactly evil destroys itself
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:36 am to TexasTigah
This is making me want to watch the movies.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:37 am to scoot25
or reading the books
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:39 am to Lacour
quote:
Haven't you ever read the Simillarion?
I made it through about 10 pages and put it down. It reads like a text book.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 11:25 am to nino2469
quote:Tolkien is a beating, no doubt. You have to enjoy detail and be able to admire his ability to build his world to enjoy it. That being said, I enjoy it.
I made it through about 10 pages and put it down. It reads like a text book.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 12:22 pm to TexasTigah
I decided to read the Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy. I'm about halfway through the Hobbit and they haven't discussed the creation of the ring.
For people who have read the entire series, does the LOTR trilogy take on a darker, more adult tone than the Hobbit? I was surprised as to how light the tone of the first half of the novel has been.
For people who have read the entire series, does the LOTR trilogy take on a darker, more adult tone than the Hobbit? I was surprised as to how light the tone of the first half of the novel has been.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 12:33 pm to Antonio Moss
LOTR is more adult, but can still be read by kids. Hobbit is definitely more of a children's book.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 12:53 pm to PsychTiger
quote:Please excuse my ignorance but isn't The Hobbit the tales of Bilbo? Or something along those lines? If it is about his travels then that could possibly answer why it is more of a childrens book. Now I didn't read any of the books, thus, I don't know much about them.
Hobbit is definitely more of a children's book.
Posted on 12/1/10 at 12:58 pm to scoot25
quote:
Please excuse my ignorance but isn't The Hobbit the tales of Bilbo?
Yep,there were a few mentions of things from the Hobbit in the Fellowship movie
Posted on 12/1/10 at 1:00 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
they haven't discussed the creation of the ring.
You want to read the Simarillion for that.
And have fun, it's like the Book of Genesis, The Illiad and the Odyssey put together. And it's not very exciting.
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For people who have read the entire series, does the LOTR trilogy take on a darker, more adult tone than the Hobbit? I was surprised as to how light the tone of the first half of the novel has been.
Not really. Tolkien was a kind hearted man and it shows in the work. Does it get darker? Yes. Does it become more ominous in tone? Not really. And this is mostly due to the presence of the hobbits, which is kind of the point.
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