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re: Robots, Star Wars, and Confusing Scifi Topics

Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by stuckintexas
austin
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:15 pm to
"I'm about to out-nerd you"
Don't worry, if you hadn't, I would have
Posted by LSUMJ
BR
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:20 pm to
it wasnt a budget issue, it was a revenue issue

Lucas reasoned he could sell more cute eewok merchandise to small kids than he could menacing wookie merchandise
Posted by 4nmylifetime
668 Neighbor to the Beast
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:26 am to
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remember the scene where Luke and R2D2 are flying away from Dantooine and Obi Wan says "There goes our last hope", and Yoda replies "No, there is another."


Isnt this a plot hole since Obi Wan was there when both were born but all of a sudden he has no knowledge that Luke has a twin sister?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 12:00 pm to
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Isnt this a plot hole since Obi Wan was there when both were born but all of a sudden he has no knowledge that Luke has a twin sister?


Obi Wan had Alzheimer's, duh.
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 2:38 pm to
Yes because when George Lucas wrote Star Wars he had no intention of making Luke and Leia brother and sister. Nor did he plan to make Vader their father. He changed up the "big story" after Star Wars was made. This explains how Obi Wan tries to explain "he DID murder your father.....from a certain point of view"..........my arse.
Posted by Tigreat
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2008
2441 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 2:40 pm to
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This explains how Obi Wan tries to explain "he DID murder your father.....from a certain point of view"..........my arse.
I actually didn't mind that all and felt that it worked pretty well.

Try to imagine how badass Return of the Jedi would have been if they would have stuck with the dark undertones of Empire Strikes Back. God I hate the ewoks. I love Star Wars, but that ruins the RotJ.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61582 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 2:58 pm to
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Lucas reasoned he could sell more cute eewok merchandise to small kids than he could menacing wookie merchandise


Seems like a big miscalculation to me. I would have had every Wookie, I don't think I bought a single Ewok.
Posted by Vigrid
Lost in space
Member since Jan 2008
4575 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 3:24 pm to
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How the hell can people understand R2D2? I guess after a while you would get used to all those damn boops and beeps, but Luke and the others seem to know what he is saying.
Luke spent far more time in his X-wing with R2 than the movies portray. After a while of reading the translation on his display he just learned what R2 was saying. R2 also uses a "tone of voice" so to speak. So, even though you don't directly understand him; you are able to determine yes or no.
Posted by Vigrid
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 3:26 pm to
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Isnt this a plot hole since Obi Wan was there when both were born but all of a sudden he has no knowledge that Luke has a twin sister?
No, Obi Wan doesn't broach the subject to keep the memory buried from Vader. Vader also doesn't sense Leia because she hasn't started Jedi training and is not "broadcasting" so to speak. Leia will later become a very powerful Knight.
Posted by RPC4LSU
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Jan 2006
1952 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 3:55 pm to
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Seems like a big miscalculation to me. I would have had every Wookie, I don't think I bought a single Ewok.

Kind of like Jar Jar Binks. I would take a million Ewoks over a millisecond of JJB. nothing like trying to turn Star Wars into Cool Runnings.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57437 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 3:57 pm to
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Leia will later become a very useless character that has both her sons needlessly killed off.


FIFY
This post was edited on 11/30/10 at 3:57 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57437 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 3:59 pm to
Oh and Jacen in Betrayal could smoke Luke FWIW. He could "flow walk" (ala travel through time) and force crush others' minds. If not for Ben stabbing him in the back, Jacen would have killed Luke in the new Legacy of the Force Series.
Die Luke Die!!!!!

/rant
Posted by Vigrid
Lost in space
Member since Jan 2008
4575 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:31 pm to
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Oh and Jacen in Betrayal could smoke Luke FWIW. He could "flow walk" (ala travel through time) and force crush others' minds. If not for Ben stabbing him in the back, Jacen would have killed Luke in the new Legacy of the Force Series.
If you truly understand Luke's character in the books he sandbags a ton. In the same book Luke walks in to Jacen's quarters and completely pins him with the Force. Jacen even believes Luke has come to kill him. Don't forget that Jacen was defeated by his twin sister.

Flow walking isn't technically time travel. It is time viewing.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57437 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:51 pm to
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Flow walking isn't technically time travel. It is time viewing.


This is false. The true effects of flow walking were never truly specified in the books.
Posted by SJS101
Member since Oct 2007
2795 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:53 pm to
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Good lord, I'm a nerd.




I'm about to out-nerd you...( )


Stand back for uber nerd...

Dantooine was the name of the fake Rebel base Leia gave to Tarkin/Vader before they Death Starred her home planet of Alderaan.
Posted by cleeveclever
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2046 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 10:48 pm to
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Darth Vader actually built C-Threepio but he never recognized him at all?


Rewatch Empire. During the scene when they are about to lower Han into the Carbonite Chamber. Chewbacca, who has Threepio strapped to his back, fights the Storm Troopers and tosses a few of them off the platform.
Boba Fett draws his weapon to blast him and presumably Threepio, who again, is strapped to Chewbacca's back -- however, Vader stops Fett from firing. Why?
He's evil right? He don't give an F about a Chewbacca.
What if Vader stopped Boba Fett from firing to protect Threepio, because he recognized him and deep down it reminded him of his innocent childhood.
Could Lucas be that smart?
Maybe not. But maybe....

Uber nerd status retained?!?
Posted by Tigreat
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2008
2441 posts
Posted on 11/30/10 at 11:57 pm to
Alright, you guys seem to know your Star Wars book knowledge. If I wanted to start reading some of the books, where would be a good place to start? Sci/fi is my favorite movie and book genre so any and all help would be appreciated.

Also, I would prefer them to be decently intelligent reads. I'd like to avoid anything kid oriented.
Posted by lpd1975
The one and only B A Baracus
Member since Nov 2007
2786 posts
Posted on 12/1/10 at 8:16 am to
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Alright, you guys seem to know your Star Wars book knowledge. If I wanted to start reading some of the books, where would be a good place to start? Sci/fi is my favorite movie and book genre so any and all help would be appreciated.

Also, I would prefer them to be decently intelligent reads. I'd like to avoid anything kid oriented

+1
Posted by cleeveclever
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2046 posts
Posted on 12/1/10 at 9:31 am to
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Alright, you guys seem to know your Star Wars book knowledge. If I wanted to start reading some of the books, where would be a good place to start? Sci/fi is my favorite movie and book genre so any and all help would be appreciated.

Also, I would prefer them to be decently intelligent reads. I'd like to avoid anything kid oriented


"Shadows of the Empire" by Steve Perry (not the Journey guy)
It takes place between Empire and Jedi, so there is familiartiy with the characters -- as well as a few new interesting characters. It also does a good job of explaining how they devise the plan to rescue Han from Jabba and it also gives a more detailed background in the struggles Vader has with the dark side. Good, fast, entertaining read.

After that you can move to some of the Timothy Zahn books. Those are pretty good as well.
Posted by Tigreat
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2008
2441 posts
Posted on 12/1/10 at 10:27 am to
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Steve Perry (not the Journey guy)


Alright, thanks. I'm gonna look into them. If you remember any other good ones let me know.
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