re: Pac 10 expansion rumors

Assuming the Big 10 takes Missouri and Nebraska, that leaves Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, Kansas, and Iowa State as the remaining AAU institutions in the Big 12.

The PAC 10 may not hold as firmly to the AAU requirement that the Big 10 does, but academic ranking is still going to be something of a factor. Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and Texas Tech bring nothing to the table in those terms.

Here are the PAC 10 USN&WR rankings and AAU status:

ASU 121 N
UA 102 Y
OSU n/a N
UO 115 Y
WSU 106 N
UW 42 Y
SU 4 Y
UCB 21 Y
UCLA 24 Y
USC 26 Y

Here are the Big 12 USN&WR rankings and AAU status:

BU 80 N
TT n/a N
UT 47 Y
TA&M 61 Y
OSU n/a N
UO 102 N
KSU n/a N
UK 96 Y
UN 96 Y
UM 102 Y
UC 77 Y
ISU 88 Y

In terms of what else is still out there academically: Utah (126), BYU (71), Colorado State (128), Rice (17, AAU), TCU (110), SMU (68), and Tulsa (88).

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culturally? exactly how do you mean?

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Ever been to Austin? It's much more "L.A." as in Los Angeles than "L.A." as in Lower Alabama.

austin yes, their fans? not so much

If the PAC 10 does expand to 16, I'd like to see them try and keep the 2 schools in a given state (sans California) system they have, for rivalry game purposes. I do like that dynamic, even when the teams may not be that great in some years.

Utah and BYU do fit into that mold, as do Texas and Texas A&M. Colorado apparently doesn't want Colorado State with them from what I've read online, though.

A&M has to be on the phone with the SEC right now. They'd far rather be in the SEC than the Pac-10.

rivals says A&M has already had conversations with the SEC

Maybe a A&M - Okie move, it was mentioned in the article as speculation that Okie might prefer the SEC


But frankly a A&M, Rice (a west match for Vandy) FSU and Miami might make a whole lot of sense

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So what happens to schools like Utah and BYU, who geographically fit better in the PAC 10 then some of the schools mentioned?

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its kind of funny the way lots of people look at geography as almost the #1 issue. The #1 issue is revenue. The state of Utah has about half the population of the DFW metroplex. That does not get TV execs to excited. BYU from what I understand won't play sports on Sunday, whcih makes them a huge pain in the arse for sports other than football.

Baylor, Houston, or Tech.

I'd rather go to Texas because the SEC looks East while LSU's traditional rivals are in the West. We've played almost as many games against old SWC teams than teams currently in the SEC East. LSU could use some Texas teams in the SEC.

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and the University and It is the University that would make the decision to move, not the "fans".

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kinda, the university is more cultural elites or whatever but ultimately they are beholden to the fans

I see what you are saying in the academic setting sense since texas has the idea they are a outstanding school (which is funny to some i think) and better than the SEC

as far as teh culture of the fans they are texans IMO, arrogant and parochial but more like southerners than west coast liberals