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stupid question
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:45 pm
not exactly related to the spill, but about oil in general. isn't it true that oil drilled by one company, say BP, can end up as gas sold at an Exxon station? i'm not exactly sure about how the whole thing works, but i think i remember hearing this before
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:46 pm to vatek
They sell it all over. Usually shell gas goes to a shell station, BP to BP, Chevron, etc. Off name brands come from all over.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:46 pm to vatek
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say BP, can end up as gas sold at an Exxon station? i'm not exactly sure about how the whole thing works, but i think i remember he
Yes, once it is refined anyone can buy it and then sell it. BP can drill for the oil, refine it then sell the gas to Exxon if they wanted to
This post was edited on 5/26/10 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:47 pm to vatek
I've been told that there are only so many refineries ... = gas is gas. ?????
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:48 pm to tgrbaitn08
thats what i thought, thanks...i was trying to argue with some idiot on facebook who joined one of the "boycott BP" groups
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:49 pm to tgrbaitn08
thats what i thought, thanks...i was trying to argue with some idiot on facebook who joined one of the "boycott BP" groups
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:52 pm to vatek
And tell your friend the poor guy who owns the service station will be getting screwed, not BP.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 4:02 pm to notiger1997
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 4:30 pm to PIGSTICKER
a number of years back there was an issue with people complaining that trucks from a number of different gas station companies were coming in and out of an exxon (i believe) refining plant. so they just painted flat gray over the logos on the trucks and everyone shut up
Posted on 5/26/10 at 4:41 pm to davy jones
The gas at the terminal is generic by grade. The specific addative packages are added to the truck for delivery. It is now brand specific.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 6:32 pm to LSU80 USF08
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The gas at the terminal is generic by grade. The specific addative packages are added to the truck for delivery. It is now brand specific
this is correct. Each no name station buys from whichever distributor is cheapest. Each distributor buys from whichever refinery is cheapest. Large gas station chains have their own distribution system, but it works the same way. distance is also a factor, obviously. A chevron station right next to an Exxon refinery will probably have Exxon gas. Every refinery has a tank with "techron" provided at the refinery. When the chevron truck pulls up they just put some techron in it.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 7:23 pm to vatek
All gas sold in the Nashville area comes from one pipeline coming up from a refinery (think it is from Texas, but not sure) and is picked up at the terminal by distributors and delivered to different brand stations. I've seen the same delivery truck at BP and at Costco. Asked a delivery guy once if additives were added, he said none that he knew about. Prices vary at different brand stations, they are all basically selling the same gas, the whole arrangement including additives is sort of kept secret.
(BP closest to me has the super premium pump labeled Amoco, don't know if the plan is to change all pumps to try to fool potential boycotters)
(BP closest to me has the super premium pump labeled Amoco, don't know if the plan is to change all pumps to try to fool potential boycotters)
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:40 am to vatek
Refineries such as Exxon Mobile in Baton Rouge make gasoline. It's not Exxon gasoline, it's gasoline period. they sell it to each station and each brands respective additives are added to the gasoline making it their brand. Chevron adds Techron as someone pointed out. etc. Etc. The additives make it the brand it is. Gasoline is gasoline. also just because it says it is 87 or 93 octane doesn't make it so. It is sometimes higher or lower. All this comes from someone who has worked at Exxon Mobile for some 35 years or so. I asked him about it a few years back.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:19 am to ellasue2
first, supa props to ellasue2 for RJ!
so, since this is the stupid question thread could someone answer mine...
When announcing the top kill attempt it was said this is an experimental depth to do it at. They gave a success prognostication of 60-70%.
Why did it take over a month to get to trying this?
I doubt the dome drop attempt had that high of a success probability. Siphoning was only going to be partial relief at best. Why not go to the most proven method first?
so, since this is the stupid question thread could someone answer mine...
When announcing the top kill attempt it was said this is an experimental depth to do it at. They gave a success prognostication of 60-70%.
Why did it take over a month to get to trying this?
I doubt the dome drop attempt had that high of a success probability. Siphoning was only going to be partial relief at best. Why not go to the most proven method first?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:26 am to blueslover
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When announcing the top kill attempt it was said this is an experimental depth to do it at. They gave a success prognostication of 60-70%.
Why did it take over a month to get to trying this?
Watch the presentation at this link first...
LINK
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:37 am to blueslover
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Why did it take over a month to get to trying this?
they had to assess the BOP/riser
they had to cap the first riser leak
they had to modify the damaged BOP with ROVs (very slow process)
they had to prep the modified BOP with ROVs for the top kill
they had to design, plan, assess, receive permission from MMS and mobilize numerous pieces for the top kill
they had to stage everything and then kick it off
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:49 am to supatigah
thanks supah for the specifics. To the layman it still seems slow in balance with the gravity of the situation.
I already understood most everything in that video already. It doesn't address the time issues at all.
I already understood most everything in that video already. It doesn't address the time issues at all.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 9:08 am to blueslover
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I already understood most everything in that video already. It doesn't address the time issues at all.
If it didn't impress you with the incredible amount of engineering involved; that it has never been done before; that it's 5000 ft below and things take time; that they were testing things for a reason; then you didn't understand anything at all.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 9:28 am to Indiana Tiger
Thoroughly impressed with the engineering and the project.
"things take time"- I'm not hammering on the time, I'm looking for better understanding. With all the resources of the nation available, over a month seems slow with what is at stake.
"things take time"- I'm not hammering on the time, I'm looking for better understanding. With all the resources of the nation available, over a month seems slow with what is at stake.
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