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Chavis Question
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:42 am
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:42 am
honestly.. not trying to start anything.. but is John Chavis, LSUs new Defensive coordinator, expected to shore up the LSU defense and have them competing again for the SEC title, is he overrated?
i ask this question because i was going through some stats over the past couple of years..
in 2007, in which the vols went to the SEC championship game, the tennessee defense was 11th in the conference..
this defense, had DE Robert Ayers (1st round pick), DT Demonte Bolden ( All SEC), LB Jerrod Mayo (1st round pick), and S Eric Berry (all american)..
this defense gave up 471yds and 45 points to a pac ten team, california, that averaged only 408 and 29..
against alabama the 75th best offense (374ypg and 27ppg) put up 510 yards and 41 points on the vols defense..
that included John Parker Wilson, not a dominating quarterback, going 32-46 for 363yds and 3td... while also giving up 104 yds to terry grant..
the very next week at home against south carolina (77th offense 372ypg and 26 ppg) they gave up 501yds and if it wasn't for 4 south carolina turnovers (2 interceptions -one by berry- and 2 fumbles) they would've given up more than 24 points...
this defense also gave up 230 yards rushing to UL lafayette..
it seems like teams with weaker offenses were putting up some good yards on them.. now i will also note that this tennessee defense did also shut down some offenses too (georgia, arkansas, vandy, and wisconsin)
in 2008.. this defense was on the fied ALOT.. but lost @ UCLA (112th in total offense),
beat UAB (56th in tota offense, but C-USA,
lost at home to Florida (who was 71st in total offense during the months of august/september.. aka before the ole miss loss),
lost @ auburn (104th worst offense),
beat northern illinois (83rd in total offense and also a MAC team),
lost @ Georgia (22nd in total offense, but actually gave up more than georgias offense was averaging.. gave up 458 bulldogs avg 426),
beat Mississippi state (114th in total offense),
lost to Alabama (64th in total offense),
lost @ South Carolina (97th in total offense),
lost to wyoming (108th in total offense and lower tier MWC team),
beat Vanderbilt (118th in total offense),
and finally beat Kentucky (106th in total offense).. did all of this with DE Robert Ayers, DT Demonte Bolden, S Eric Berry, and All SEC lbs Ellix Wison and Rico McCoy
so while the numbers are there.. the competition really isn't..
so i'm not tryin to say that he won't bring LSU's defense back to the top.. but what is your honest opinion of chavis? asked this on the sec rant as well.. Just curious
thanks
i ask this question because i was going through some stats over the past couple of years..
in 2007, in which the vols went to the SEC championship game, the tennessee defense was 11th in the conference..
this defense, had DE Robert Ayers (1st round pick), DT Demonte Bolden ( All SEC), LB Jerrod Mayo (1st round pick), and S Eric Berry (all american)..
this defense gave up 471yds and 45 points to a pac ten team, california, that averaged only 408 and 29..
against alabama the 75th best offense (374ypg and 27ppg) put up 510 yards and 41 points on the vols defense..
that included John Parker Wilson, not a dominating quarterback, going 32-46 for 363yds and 3td... while also giving up 104 yds to terry grant..
the very next week at home against south carolina (77th offense 372ypg and 26 ppg) they gave up 501yds and if it wasn't for 4 south carolina turnovers (2 interceptions -one by berry- and 2 fumbles) they would've given up more than 24 points...
this defense also gave up 230 yards rushing to UL lafayette..
it seems like teams with weaker offenses were putting up some good yards on them.. now i will also note that this tennessee defense did also shut down some offenses too (georgia, arkansas, vandy, and wisconsin)
in 2008.. this defense was on the fied ALOT.. but lost @ UCLA (112th in total offense),
beat UAB (56th in tota offense, but C-USA,
lost at home to Florida (who was 71st in total offense during the months of august/september.. aka before the ole miss loss),
lost @ auburn (104th worst offense),
beat northern illinois (83rd in total offense and also a MAC team),
lost @ Georgia (22nd in total offense, but actually gave up more than georgias offense was averaging.. gave up 458 bulldogs avg 426),
beat Mississippi state (114th in total offense),
lost to Alabama (64th in total offense),
lost @ South Carolina (97th in total offense),
lost to wyoming (108th in total offense and lower tier MWC team),
beat Vanderbilt (118th in total offense),
and finally beat Kentucky (106th in total offense).. did all of this with DE Robert Ayers, DT Demonte Bolden, S Eric Berry, and All SEC lbs Ellix Wison and Rico McCoy
so while the numbers are there.. the competition really isn't..
so i'm not tryin to say that he won't bring LSU's defense back to the top.. but what is your honest opinion of chavis? asked this on the sec rant as well.. Just curious
thanks
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Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:46 am to batteman
That defense didn't have the D-Line and CB talent we have. D-Line pressure plus Above Average-Average CB's equals turnovers.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:53 am to Acreboy
We discussed a lot of this immediately following the hire, and the things that stick out are the fact that our talent level is superior, he knows the SEC and its coaches, and has shown to be successful. Plus, he is a vast improvement over what we had.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 2:07 am to Froman
quote:
the things that stick out are the fact that our talent level is superior, he knows the SEC and its coaches, and has shown to be successful. Plus, he is a vast improvement over what we had.
i do agree there, very much so on the last sentence. He did however have a game changer in Eric Berry, possibly one of the best safeties in modern college football, one offensive coordinators had to gameplan around every week, and worry about on every play. Do you think LSU has a game changer like that? if so who?
Posted on 5/13/09 at 2:09 am to batteman
We will know by the end of October. I thought Chavis was on the decline at Tennersee for a few years now, but going to a different school can change things, so we will see.
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 2:15 am
Posted on 5/13/09 at 2:29 am to batteman
Posted on 5/13/09 at 5:59 am to DocBugbear
It's not really the Chavis hire, it's all of the hires that make it good. Ron Cooper was the key. He has turned 2-3* players at USCe into all-sec selections and has always had good secondaries. Also, Haley is an intense coach which is what the D-line needed. Not to mention, Chavis is an excellent LB's coach. The players have commented that they have never seen such an intense coaching staff in practice before...Charles Alexander(6th year senior) said it reminds him of when Muschamp and Saban were running the D in terms of intensity.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 7:54 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
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Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:05 am to batteman
Chavis had a young defense in '07 that didn't mature until towards the end of that season.
For the '08 season, that is the type of stuff that can happen when the offense is a POS. In this generation of college football, defensive struggles are not as common as they used to be. You gotta score to ensure yourself of success. Chavis came to a team with better offensive weapons and if he can do his part with the defense , LSU should be better.
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n 2008.. this defense was on the fied ALOT.. but lost @ UCLA (112th in total offense),
beat UAB (56th in tota offense, but C-USA,
lost at home to Florida (who was 71st in total offense during the months of august/september.. aka before the ole miss loss),
lost @ auburn (104th worst offense),
beat northern illinois (83rd in total offense and also a MAC team),
lost @ Georgia (22nd in total offense, but actually gave up more than georgias offense was averaging.. gave up 458 bulldogs avg 426),
beat Mississippi state (114th in total offense),
lost to Alabama (64th in total offense),
lost @ South Carolina (97th in total offense),
lost to wyoming (108th in total offense and lower tier MWC team),
beat Vanderbilt (118th in total offense),
and finally beat Kentucky (106th in total offense).. did all of this with DE Robert Ayers, DT Demonte Bolden, S Eric Berry, and All SEC lbs Ellix Wison and Rico McCoy
so while the numbers are there.. the competition really isn't..
For the '08 season, that is the type of stuff that can happen when the offense is a POS. In this generation of college football, defensive struggles are not as common as they used to be. You gotta score to ensure yourself of success. Chavis came to a team with better offensive weapons and if he can do his part with the defense , LSU should be better.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:07 am to batteman
Such an overly simplistic view. I love how you throw Ayers' name out there. Dude was pretty much invisible until the Senior Bowl. What team in the SEC would Ellix and Rico be All-SEC? Jerrod Mayo was good, but not great at UT. He blew them away at the combine, which made him a 1st rounder.
Obviously Bolden and Berry were talents, but the 08 team was not that talented. 2006 and 2007 were pretty much outliers for Chavis. There was alot of turmoil on the team after Fulmer led the team to his 1st losing season in 05. Alot of this was fostered by an attitude created by Kelley Washington. . .but that's another story entirely.
Imagine what people could have said about Nutt before coming to Old Piss. . .
Obviously Bolden and Berry were talents, but the 08 team was not that talented. 2006 and 2007 were pretty much outliers for Chavis. There was alot of turmoil on the team after Fulmer led the team to his 1st losing season in 05. Alot of this was fostered by an attitude created by Kelley Washington. . .but that's another story entirely.
Imagine what people could have said about Nutt before coming to Old Piss. . .
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:08 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
quote:
It's not really the Chavis hire, it's all of the hires that make it good. Ron Cooper was the key. He has turned 2-3* players at USCe into all-sec selections and has always had good secondaries. Also, Haley is an intense coach which is what the D-line needed. Not to mention, Chavis is an excellent LB's coach.
This nails it. Chavis knows his shite, and we put a good staff around him. Cooper is probably my favorite hire of the three and Haley, like you stated, brings intensity to the DL. The players seem to be accepting the change and responding well and I think that will go a LONG way in this.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:09 am to batteman
You also have to look at how awful Tennessee's offense was. Their defense was always on the field. If JL doesn't start at QB for the tigers then I suspect that we won't have that same problem.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:31 am to chinesebandits58
I'm not going to lie, Chavis' soft coverage and games against UF scare me a little. That being said, I really think Ron Cooper is the guy who makes or breaks this D if we go into soft coverage on third and Chavis. IMO & IMHO
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:33 am to Acreboy
quote:
That defense didn't have the D-Line and CB talent we have.
i think they had a couple first round picks on the DL (harrell, meyers) and a top 10 LB, plus berry at CB
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:36 am to Suntiger
Posted on 5/13/09 at 8:56 am to batteman
quote:
honestly.. not trying to start anything..
When a post starts with so obvious and blatant a lie, it's difficult to get motivated to read the rest of it.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:16 am to nycajun
Seriously, it's not so much about Chavis turning everything around by himself. Les got a guy in his mold for the D. Chavis is a veteran coach that has management skills. He's a great LB coach and will improve recruiting at that position as well as coach up. He hired excellent assisitants that will make him look like a genuis. In the end we have on voice and one direction as opposed to two guys breaking in the same job last year. If you weren't trying to flame you'd know that one of our biggest issues last year was not having the defensive play called until the last second putting our young players in a bad spot. Thanks for trying to flame now go eat a finger sammich in the grove.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:33 am to batteman
quote:
honestly.. not trying to start anything
you arent? seems quite the opposite imo
Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:52 am to Jaydeaux
quote:
If you weren't trying to flame you'd know that one of our biggest issues last year was not having the defensive play called until the last second putting our young players in a bad spot. Thanks for trying to flame now go eat a finger sammich in the grove.
i thought i'd get idiots like yall that would think this is a flame..
don't call it a frickin lie if you don't know ok?.. there isn't any hidden sarcasm that you read between the lines or anything like that
this is a serious football question as i have only started to really pay attention to football since about 2004.. and since than tennessee has finished in the bottom half of the SEC in both scoring defense and total defense in all but 2 years... 2004 they went 10-3 (7th in total defense 7th in scoring), 2005 they went 5-6 (3rd in total defense 5th in scoring), 2006 went 9-4 (8th in total defense 8th in scoring), 2007 went 10-4 (11th in total defense and 10th in scoring) and than 2008 they go 5-7 (1st in total defense 3rd in scoring).. the point of this was to see what yall thought as most of yall have seen what Chavis had done in years prior to 2004...
why do yall think the better that tennessee has done the worse their defense has faired? and vice versa?
now i completely agree on the assistant coach hires and think that LSUs defense as a whole will immediately get better and i believe that talent wise LSU is the best in the west.. they have a rough schedule and think it is going to come down to the defense as to whether or not they can win the west..
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