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Posted on 5/13/09 at 9:56 am to batteman
Try comparing Chavis' track record to that of Houston Nutt.
Tell me which one seems to be more consistent.
Maybe Nutt should be the one that you be concerned about.
Tell me which one seems to be more consistent.
Maybe Nutt should be the one that you be concerned about.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 10:02 am to True Bengal
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Try comparing Chavis' track record to that of Houston Nutt.
Tell me which one seems to be more consistent.
Maybe Nutt should be the one that you be concerned about.
completely irrelevant to the question but thanks for playing..
Posted on 5/13/09 at 10:31 am to batteman
I am excited Chavis is in Baton Rouge...My Favorite Drink of choice on game day...Perfect fit for the Tigers
Posted on 5/13/09 at 10:31 am to batteman
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Do you think LSU has a game changer like that? if so who?
Game Changers
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/13/09 at 10:53 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
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It's not really the Chavis hire, it's all of the hires that make it good. Ron Cooper was the key. He has turned 2-3* players at USCe into all-sec selections and has always had good secondaries.
'Nuff said.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:13 am to batteman
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and since than tennessee has finished in the bottom half of the SEC in both scoring defense and total defense in all but 2 years
what were they ranked nationally? since the SEC consistenly has the top defenses in the nation.
saying tenn was the 8th best in the SEC might still mean they were the 20th best in the nation.
and how much seperated them from the 1st rated defense in the SEC?
i think that is the better question. you cant just pull out rankings without the actual stats.
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:18 am to batteman
HOw long was Chavis the DC at one of the top football programs in the SEC and country for that matter? Unless the decision makers over there are complete idiots, you would have to think he's at least very good. Is he a great DC?..probably not..but he knows linebacking and our new DB coach is one of the best, and our DL coach is pretty respected.
Put them all together and I dont think many offenses are gonna be happy to face this defense...
Put them all together and I dont think many offenses are gonna be happy to face this defense...
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:35 am to HOUbengal
What he is really worried about is Ole Miss not being able to handle us like last year. Ole Miss is consumed with getting back on an even playing field with LSU, and I guess you can't blame them.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:35 am to HOUbengal
How can anyone here say Cooper is one of the best, anyone here heard him talk ball or seen him coach. Stars on websites don't mean anything, good players make good plays, and SC has had some good DB'S. I am not knocking Cooper, but I find it interesting that everyone is claiming he is a "great" DB coach. Doug Mallory is/was a great DB coach and he isn't here and everyone thinks he stunk. But let me tell you he can flat coach, and players make plays. Coaches don't play, if you have good players you will be a good coach. Some of the guys in the back end getting time last year were real young. I expect they will all do better and everyone will come on here and say Cooper is the man, but realize this, those guys are good players, that is why they make plays not because of coaching.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:40 am to batteman
i like what you did there. In 2007 you used stats, but in 2008 you used W/L. whichever makes your point, I suppose.
football was played before 2004, and chavis directed some of the top defenses in college football. He's not the best out there, but he's better than the final years at UT, where the program was gradually unravelling.
That would be sweet for Ole miss, wouldn't it? A trip to Atlanta during a program decline, I mean.
football was played before 2004, and chavis directed some of the top defenses in college football. He's not the best out there, but he's better than the final years at UT, where the program was gradually unravelling.
That would be sweet for Ole miss, wouldn't it? A trip to Atlanta during a program decline, I mean.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:49 am to 610man
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not because of coaching
we could be saving a lot of cheese by firing all these guys. Just need a busdriver, and those guys are cheap.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:54 am to aibo synthetic
Loston
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:59 am to 610man
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not because of coaching
we could be saving a lot of cheese by firing all these guys. Just need a busdriver, and those guys are cheap.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:37 pm to batteman
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is John Chavis, LSUs new Defensive coordinator, expected to shore up the LSU defense and have them competing again for the SEC title, is he overrated?
Yes. Simplified scheme and less reliance on substitutions will have instant impact.
I'd say he's overrated on the rant, but he's very good. He is undoubtably an improvement over last year. I like how he is vocal and had an in-your-face attitude during Spring practice. The players have consistently noted the change and they like it. Our last co-ordinators didn't seem to have that fire.
I wonder how he compares to past coordinators Pelini and Muschamp.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:39 pm to aibo synthetic
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i have only started to really pay attention to football since about 2004
What the hell have you been doing all this time?? How old are you, four? I just don't get it.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:47 pm to batteman
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in 2007, in which the vols went to the SEC championship game, the tennessee defense was 11th in the conference..
UT had a few great defensive players in 2007 and the other 6 or 7 on defense stunk worse than my high school team. A defense is only as good as it's weakest link.
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in 2008.. this defense was on the fied ALOT
enough said. They were a pretty good defense considering how bad UT's offense was. I bet I could count on 1 hand the # of possessions the UT offense did not go 3 and out.
Also, LSU's overall talent at EVERY position is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UT's talent at EVERY position on defense.
So to answer your question:
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but is John Chavis, LSUs new Defensive coordinator, expected to shore up the LSU defense and have them competing again for the SEC title, is he overrated?
Yes, he will help win the SEC WEST, compete against UF for the overall title and National Championship in his very first year.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:51 pm to batteman
overrated guy, no is my answer because of LSU's talent, give credit to Les he knew what he was doing on this one, he knew that the defense had collapsed to unimaginable levels and what did he do, he went out and hired 3 of the best people he could find that were experts in all 3 phases of the defense. I'm anxious to see the results.
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:58 pm to tubucoco
LSU fans are excited for no other reason than he is an upgrade over last year.
The defense will not be up to 03 level ever again imo...
What we can hope for for is just the defensive to keep us in close games. They give up 21 and under we win 10/11 games with our offense.
The defense will not be up to 03 level ever again imo...
What we can hope for for is just the defensive to keep us in close games. They give up 21 and under we win 10/11 games with our offense.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:26 pm to batteman
I'll weigh in.
First, I noticed your critique focused on stats in '07 and W/L in '08. Its a bit inconsistent, but what happened?
First, the '07 team was really young in the Secondary. Of the starters at the end of the year (Berry, Vinson, Rogan, Heffney) only Heffney had experience. While Berry was ready from Day 1, the other guys had to develop. We were really playing a bunch of Dime backs until they got ready. The '07 Defense did well against running teams (UGA, Ark, Wisc, etc.) but not so well against passing teams like Cal and UF.
The '08 Defense did what is was supposed to. Held the teams it played in check. They finished 3rd Nationally behind USC and TCU, I'm not quite sure what else should be expected out of them (besides stopping a GW drive at UCLA). They scored and set up score for the offense about as much as the Offense scored on their own.
Regardless, to focus on '06-'08 when its obvious our talent was down is a little silly. This was a huge Fulmer hater argument on the Vol Boards... so it's been discussed. Our Defense was poor in '07, average in '06 and very good to great every other year that he was coordinator. We didn't really have a decade of defense like the '95-'05 Defense since the Neyland Era.
Fact is, we will know a lot about Chavis in 2-3 years. If LSU's defense is very good it will reflect well on him, and poorly on the total recruiting job of the UT staff.
First, I noticed your critique focused on stats in '07 and W/L in '08. Its a bit inconsistent, but what happened?
First, the '07 team was really young in the Secondary. Of the starters at the end of the year (Berry, Vinson, Rogan, Heffney) only Heffney had experience. While Berry was ready from Day 1, the other guys had to develop. We were really playing a bunch of Dime backs until they got ready. The '07 Defense did well against running teams (UGA, Ark, Wisc, etc.) but not so well against passing teams like Cal and UF.
The '08 Defense did what is was supposed to. Held the teams it played in check. They finished 3rd Nationally behind USC and TCU, I'm not quite sure what else should be expected out of them (besides stopping a GW drive at UCLA). They scored and set up score for the offense about as much as the Offense scored on their own.
Regardless, to focus on '06-'08 when its obvious our talent was down is a little silly. This was a huge Fulmer hater argument on the Vol Boards... so it's been discussed. Our Defense was poor in '07, average in '06 and very good to great every other year that he was coordinator. We didn't really have a decade of defense like the '95-'05 Defense since the Neyland Era.
Fact is, we will know a lot about Chavis in 2-3 years. If LSU's defense is very good it will reflect well on him, and poorly on the total recruiting job of the UT staff.
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honestly.. not trying to start anything.. but is John Chavis, LSUs new Defensive coordinator, expected to shore up the LSU defense and have them competing again for the SEC title, is he overrated?
i ask this question because i was going through some stats over the past couple of years..
in 2007, in which the vols went to the SEC championship game, the tennessee defense was 11th in the conference..
this defense, had DE Robert Ayers (1st round pick), DT Demonte Bolden ( All SEC), LB Jerrod Mayo (1st round pick), and S Eric Berry (all american)..
this defense gave up 471yds and 45 points to a pac ten team, california, that averaged only 408 and 29..
against alabama the 75th best offense (374ypg and 27ppg) put up 510 yards and 41 points on the vols defense..
that included John Parker Wilson, not a dominating quarterback, going 32-46 for 363yds and 3td... while also giving up 104 yds to terry grant..
the very next week at home against south carolina (77th offense 372ypg and 26 ppg) they gave up 501yds and if it wasn't for 4 south carolina turnovers (2 interceptions -one by berry- and 2 fumbles) they would've given up more than 24 points...
this defense also gave up 230 yards rushing to UL lafayette..
it seems like teams with weaker offenses were putting up some good yards on them.. now i will also note that this tennessee defense did also shut down some offenses too (georgia, arkansas, vandy, and wisconsin)
in 2008.. this defense was on the fied ALOT.. but lost @ UCLA (112th in total offense),
beat UAB (56th in tota offense, but C-USA,
lost at home to Florida (who was 71st in total offense during the months of august/september.. aka before the ole miss loss),
lost @ auburn (104th worst offense),
beat northern illinois (83rd in total offense and also a MAC team),
lost @ Georgia (22nd in total offense, but actually gave up more than georgias offense was averaging.. gave up 458 bulldogs avg 426),
beat Mississippi state (114th in total offense),
lost to Alabama (64th in total offense),
lost @ South Carolina (97th in total offense),
lost to wyoming (108th in total offense and lower tier MWC team),
beat Vanderbilt (118th in total offense),
and finally beat Kentucky (106th in total offense).. did all of this with DE Robert Ayers, DT Demonte Bolden, S Eric Berry, and All SEC lbs Ellix Wison and Rico McCoy
so while the numbers are there.. the competition really isn't..
so i'm not tryin to say that he won't bring LSU's defense back to the top.. but what is your honest opinion of chavis? asked this on the sec rant as well.. Just curious
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