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Richmond fell to the U.S. Army 161 years ago today...

Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:50 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
70788 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:50 am
The air in Richmond on Sunday morning, April 2, 1865, was unnervingly still. Inside St. Paul’s Episcopal Church, President Jefferson Davis sat in his pew until a messenger leaned over and handed him a telegram from General Robert E. Lee. The message was blunt: the lines at Petersburg had broken. Richmond must be evacuated by nightfall.

Davis rose quietly and left, but the secret didn't stay kept for long. By afternoon, the "Panic of Richmond" had begun.

As the sun set, the city descended into a fever dream. Chaos choked the streets as government officials scrambled onto the last departing trains, their wagons overturning in the mud. To prevent the Union army from seizing anything of value, Confederate commanders ordered the tobacco and cotton warehouses near the river to be torched.

It was a disastrous miscalculation. A stiff wind picked up, carrying the sparks from the riverfront into the heart of the city. By midnight, the business district was a wall of flame. The roar of the fire was punctuated by the booming of "ironclads" being blown up in the James River and the rhythmic thud of the bridges being demolished by retreating soldiers.
By dawn on April 3, the Confederate rear guard was gone, and the city was a hellscape of smoke and looters. Then came a new sound: the steady, rhythmic trill of Union bugles.

The first troops to crest the hill and march into the burning capital weren't just any soldiers: they were the United States Colored Troops of the 25th Corps. Wearing Union blue, these formerly enslaved men became the city's liberators and its firemen. They dropped their muskets for buckets, forming human chains to battle the fires the Confederates had started.

Forty-eight hours later, a tall, gaunt man in a black suit stepped off a boat at Rockett’s Landing. With no heavy guard and only a few sailors for company, Abraham Lincoln walked two miles through the smoldering ruins. He was quickly surrounded by a crowd of thousands of freedmen who wept and cheered, some kneeling at his feet. Lincoln, visibly moved, told them simply, "Don't kneel to me. That is not right. You must kneel to God only, and thank Him for the liberty you will hereafter enjoy."

As Lincoln sat briefly in Jefferson Davis’s abandoned chair at the Confederate White House, the smoke of the "Old South" was still rising from the streets outside. The war wasn't technically over, but the heart of the rebellion had stopped beating.





Posted by longhorn22
Nicholls St. Fan
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:51 am to
love seeing all this from days before
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
71890 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:53 am to
It was a time I remember oh so well
Posted by oldtrucker
Marianna, Fl
Member since Apr 2013
3445 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:01 am to
And gave birth to the slogan 'The south shall rise again'
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
Member since Dec 2025
883 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:04 am to
Makes me wonder why slavery never made God’s Ten Commandments.

Don’t covet thy neighbor’s wife but ok to capture families (parents and children) and sell them / separate them into life of forced labor?

Not sure who God was pulling for 161 years ago today.

Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19816 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:05 am to
It is amazing to me that this continuous lie was told about why the civil war even happened.

Slavery was never the reason. Lincoln didn’t even want to stop it. He even wrote that he didn’t believe it was his right to stop it.

The government got extremely greedy. The south was very wealthy at that time. Between suppling 90% of the world’s cotton and all the tabacco and corn they were growing, the southern cities were very very beautiful and southern farmers were making all kinds of money.

So the government did what the government does and said hey, let’s raise agriculture taxes a couple percent.

The south said F you and the answer was let the common man kill each other so the rich folks could keep making more money.

The emancipation proclamation wasn’t signed until several months after the civil war started so if that wasn’t a thing, what was the point of fighting?
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3076 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:09 am to
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It is amazing to me that this continuous lie was told about why the civil war even happened.

I believe in Fairy Winkles too.
Posted by Play_Neck
Member since Dec 2014
2252 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:15 am to
It may not have been the only reason, but it was a big if not the biggest one. Many high up confederate officers wrote just that (in fancier, olden time language).
Posted by Play_Neck
Member since Dec 2014
2252 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:17 am to
I actually hadn't read the full story about the Richmond fire. Thanks for sharing, Roll Tide.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
14905 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:26 am to
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Between suppling 90% of the world’s cotton



I don’t know the real facts, but without research I’m highly doubtful to this.
I know the south was betting on Europe intervening on their behalf, but with Egyptian being available, they chose to stay out of it.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
Member since Dec 2025
883 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:29 am to
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The south was very wealthy at that time.


It was about states rights. It was about government greed. It was about defending a southern way of life.

And common man killing one another so rich folks continue their power is spot on.

However, it is amazing to me the motive of people to divorce slavery from Civil War, as if it had nothing to do with why the civil war even happened.

Free labor has disproportionate effect on wealth-building.

Then there was the pesky moral dilemma. Never understood why God put in Ten Commandments that we should not covet neighbor’s wife while omitting slavery, enslaving human families and selling them off / splitting spouses, parents and children into life of forced labor without human rights. That bothered some folks, and it mattered to civil war.

That war about states rights, of course.

Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3076 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:33 am to
It's not factual. The American south produced 75% of the world's cotton supply. That number is significant enough. Not sure why a blatant exaggeration was needed.
Posted by TigerMeister
North shore
Member since Nov 2009
2452 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:37 am to
Every confederate state had a declaration of secession. Slavery is mentioned in all of them as a reason for seceding. Go look at Mississippi’s. It’s literally in like the second sentence lol
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35219 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:37 am to
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dilemma. Never understood why God put in Ten Commandments that we should not covet neighbor’s wife while omitting slavery, enslaving human families and selling them off / splitting spouses, parents and children into life of forced labor without human rights.


Are you just going to repeat the same thing over and over rather than doing a little reading of people who’ve written about this for 1000s of years?
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
Member since Dec 2025
883 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:51 am to
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Are you just going to repeat the same thing over and over rather than doing a little reading of people who’ve written about this for 1000s of years?


A little reading. 1000’s of years of writings, aye?

Written by man / rationalized by man…some of same men who owned slaves? From these sources you think I did not read?

Throw in women as chattel and genocide (nod to no killing but whole people in millions count deserves at least a footnote). Sure, not meant to be complete moral list…yet some convenient ones omitted for the times they were written. Strong lend to man-made/influenced…

To shorten my citations page, answer: yes.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 9:57 am
Posted by parrothead
big salty ham
Member since Mar 2010
5214 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:53 am to
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It was about states rights. It was about government greed. It was about defending a southern way of life.


What particular right where they speaking of? The State of Alabama succession letter mentions "domestic institutions", so I guess that is what you're referring to.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
5343 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:05 am to
If I had the gift of time travel I'd travel back to the 1860's and fight with my southern brothers at Vicksburg. To fight and possibly die with men of the South would be the greatest honor I can imagine.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35219 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:07 am to
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To shorten my citations page, answer: yes.


And in all that extensive reading your takeaway is a reductionistic theodicy based on illogical presuppositions?

Maybe include a sample of your bibliography and we can improve upon it.

ETA: if you’re earnestly and in good faith grappling with the problems of evil and the Mosaic law, then that’s one discussion.

If you fancy yourself a Bertrand Russell or JS Mill type then that’s another.

If you’re trying to disprove God via the problem of evil then let us know, so we can save some time.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 10:25 am
Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
11603 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:17 am to
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Not sure who God was pulling for 161 years ago today.


I think the results kinda answer that question huh
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3076 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:18 am to
quote:

If I had the gift of time travel I'd travel back to the 1860's and fight with my southern brothers at Vicksburg. To fight and possibly die with men of the South would be the greatest honor I can imagine.

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