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How real is a water scarcity threat, re: Building Data Centers?

Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:52 am
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26568 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:52 am
This is the new liberal fight, and I'm curious the thoughts on this. This isn't about regulating AI, it's about building the data centers that support it.

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Amid an unprecedented energy crisis and the rapid buildout of artificial intelligence infrastructure, progressive lawmakers have unveiled a new policy to place a moratorium on the construction of AI datacenters.

“Despite the extraordinary importance of this issue and its impact on every man, woman and child in this country, AI has received far too little serious discussion here in our nation’s capital,” Sanders told reporters on Wednesday. “I fear that Congress is totally unprepared for the magnitude of the changes that are already taking place.”
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:58 am to
What more do you need other than realize it's all liberal B.S. than the fact Bernie Sanders opposes them?
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
76939 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:59 am to
On a local level, opposition to data centers seems to be pretty bi-partisan.

The only people that seem to want them are the people selling their land to them and the politicians they're paying off.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38071 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:00 am to
This is all happening so fast

I’m a curmudgeon I guess. I don’t see the benefit of making so many jobs and people basically obsolete overnight

What about during droughts and things… golf courses or people are warned to not water their grass .. will data centers that use way more water than that be placed under the same restrictions ?

AI just doesn’t seem to improve much except the few tech CEOs net worths that are pushing it so hard
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 9:27 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32563 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:01 am to
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What more do you need other than realize it's all liberal B.S. than the fact Bernie Sanders opposes them?

I mean, water wealthy Baton Rouge is facing the collapse of its aquifer because industry already pulls too much too fast, but sure, all made up by liberals
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
19720 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:06 am to
These data centers are proper fricking our water supply. That isn't political, it's a fact.

They need to figure that shite out. Maybe use that AI to figure out a cheaper desalinization method so they can just use ocean water or something.

Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:06 am to
One near me is currently being fought over and the real complaint (besides not in my back yard) is data centers are energy hogs which inevitably result in higher utility bills for everyone in the area. They're also water hogs but enclosed systems can be created to recycle their initial water in a closed loop, allegedly.

The city council sell is the creation of jobs and millions added to the tax base, allegedly.

Here in Missouri Josh Hawley is trying to force them to generate their own electric. How? Not sure but it could be a win-win at that point. Although if it's like everything else, I'm sure even that cost would be felt by the consumer with increased prices for propane, natural gas or however they generate their power.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34142 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:07 am to
Most data centers I know about/have been to have cooling towers and recycle their water.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
76939 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:07 am to
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I mean, water wealthy Baton Rouge is facing the collapse of its aquifer because industry already pulls too much too fast, but sure, all made up by liberals


But but but it all goes back into the water cycle
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26568 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:08 am to
I'm not meaning to frame it up that way, but it's the Bernie/AOC push and i don't see much support in Washington from the republican side.

Like someone else mentioned, there does seem to be some bipartisan cooperation on local levels, where communities are impacted.

I'm just interested in the water scarcity discussion.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
76939 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:08 am to
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One near me is currently being fought over and the real complaint (besides not in my back yard) is data centers are energy hogs which inevitably result in higher utility bills for everyone in the area. They're also water hogs but enclosed systems can be created to recycle their initial water in a closed loop, allegedly.


That the one where the council meeting went until like 4am?
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26568 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:09 am to
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is data centers are energy hogs which inevitably result in higher utility bills for everyone in the area


Seriously? I didn't know that. I can see why it's more bipartisan at local levels then.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
76939 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:10 am to
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Seriously? I didn't know that. I can see why it's more bipartisan at local levels then.


Yes, they force upgrades by the utility companies that pass the cost of that onto all the other customers when it only really benefits the data center.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9337 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:12 am to
Only those that grow with the progress, adapt and change the impact they have on the environment. Musk has introduced the use of small nuke sources.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26568 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:13 am to
Kind of like the hurricane "upgrades".

Damn crooks
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45286 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:15 am to
The critique on data centers in terms of raising energy prices is legit. They're hogs when it comes to energy usage.

However, the "ZOMG THEY'RE TAKING ALL OUR WATERZ!" shows a complete ignorance on modern data center construction and cooling systems.

This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 9:17 am
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6957 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:19 am to
The energy and water consumption numbers on these things are absurd. I'm not saying I'm against them but surely there's a way to offset their requirements like doing co-gens in the chemical processes or closed loop cooling systems.
Posted by man in the stadium
Member since Aug 2006
1453 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:20 am to
Cant speak to other states, but for Louisiana specifically, we have no recent studies or estimates on what our state water budget is, and thus, have no real way of knowing if data center proposals are going to overdraw a particular aquifer or not. We also dont have any state water law beyond the same governing laws for say, O&G extraction, which are that if you can tap into it, you can take it. We have no state laws governing the sale of water as a commodity to others (e.g., Texas trying to tap into the Sabine/Toledo Bend).

I am a pretty conservative person, but the engineer in me has some pause on whether letting things go gangbusters is the best idea until we know what our water budget even is. People think "oh it is Louisiana, we have so much water everywhere" but that really isnt the case and the public often confuses episodic nuisance surface water events (floods) with the continuous draws of ground or streamflow for industry and agriculture. Farmers and industry across the Sparta, Chicot, and Southern Hills aquifers are drilling wells deeper and deeper; BR has had a myriad of issues with the Capitol Area Groundwater Commission fights just to monitor withdrawals.

If we have the water, great, but it would be safe to do some reconnaissance first before we promise everything to every data center.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Member since Nov 2019
14152 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:20 am to
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These data centers are proper fricking our water supply. That isn't political, it's a fact.


It's not a fact. Educate yourself before posting. The older data centers use a lot of water. The newer ones don't use much water at all.

Microsoft is building the world's "first AI super factory" in Atlanta and it uses other liquids for cooling.


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Microsoft said the plants feature liquid-based cooling, individualized power to each server rack, where the data is stored and computed, as well as facility-wide cooling systems to ensure long-term viability, while also being more energy efficient.

Another feature of the Atlanta Fairwater facility’s design is its approach to resource management. Microsoft officials said the advanced liquid cooling system “consumes almost zero water in its operations” while maximizing the amount of processing chips it can host and use.



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This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 9:23 am
Posted by Roy Curado
Member since Jul 2021
1538 posts
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:21 am to
So many lunatics are spreading this propaganda without ever providing real case studies or facts.
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