Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if

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would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ?

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No.

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This team is in desperate need of shooting so why are we concerned with a guard shooting 14% from 3 and 60% ft

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I'm a Herb fan...but honesty compels me to say NOBODY thinks DD will continue to shoot 14% from 3...he shot 31, 31 and 34% his first three years. The question is...can DD end up averaging around 32-34% for his career...which I think he can do.

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The only thing Herb has over Dyson is outside shooting

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You forget the biggest issue: FT shooting

Dyson isn't playable late in playoff games with his Shaq-esque FT%

Ultimately - who costs less, that's who I want.

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Ultimately - who costs less, that's who I want.

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The Herb/DD comparison is a very unique situation.

For fairly obvious reasons, Herb, almost always, has MUCH more value to a team that is a seriously contending playoff team...while DD has MUCH more value to a team (like the Hawks or even possibly the Pelicans) who are not what most would consider to be serious contenders.

Bottom line...Herb is "wired" to be a perfect role player for a team which already has a solid amount of talent (usually offensive)...while DD doesn't "fit" quite as well as Herb...on that type team. But, DD still has certain advantages over Herb...for some other teams.

So, hopefully...Herb might prove to be a very solid chip to have available for trade...on draft night. Could be very beneficial for the Pelicans (and Herb)

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For fairly obvious reasons, Herb, almost always, has MUCH more value to a team that is a seriously contending playoff team...while DD has MUCH more value to a team (like the Hawks or even possibly the Pelicans) who are not what most would consider to be serious contenders.

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This I agree with. Herb was a better fit for the Pels of yesteryear, with DJM, CJ, Ingram etc.

Well that version of the Pels is gone and over with. The future is now with Fears, Trey and Queen. And DD would be better suited playing alongside them for our foreseeable future.

Think the Hawks would take Herb for DD and give us back our first next year? Seriously doubtful.

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You would be wise to look a bit closer at Herb's "apparent" 3-pt% last season.

This season has been a struggle for sure...but very likely...it will prove to be a "one-off".

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Herb shot 30.6% from three last season and he's at 30.3% this season. If anything I would say the 23-24 season when he shot 42% is the outlier. He's a career 32% three point shooter other than that.

SlowFlow does have a point I didn't consider regarding the FT shooter, but I would take Dyson in almost every other category.

Dyson is shooting 57.4% in the paint, Herb is shooting 47.3% in the paint.

Dyson is shooting 58.5% from midrange, Herb is shooting 26.3%.

They have similar usage rates yet Dyson has a 24.2% assist rate while Herb is at 12.7%. Dyson is a better rebounder. I think Dyson is a slightly better defender.

If you want to look at advanced stats Atlanta has a +10 point differential when Dyson is on the court vs off. Pelicans are +5.8 when Herb is on the court. Dyson has a PER of 15.2, Herb is 9.4. Dyson has a WS/48 of .117, Herb is at .028. Dyson has a BPM of 0.7, Herb is at -2.9.

I'll never understand the need to put someone down to prop another up. I think both are good players. Maybe Dyson's lack of shooting really matters, though I don't think teams are really paying attention to Herb or Dyson so what's it actually matter, (if you want to have the outlier conversation Dyson was also a career 32% shooter coming into this season, so maybe the 14% is his outlier), but I do think he's slightly better than Herb. Considerably better in some areas even. I think there's a reason Atlanta asked for Dyson and not Herb.

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I think there's a reason Atlanta asked for Dyson and not Herb

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That’s not what was reported at the time. Hawks really wanted Herb, we had to include two first round picks and Dyson so they would no longer want Herb. That was his 40% from three year.

So we ended up trading the better, younger player and gave up picks to boot.

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Not trading for a much higher contract that is a negative value asset/contract.

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After next year Herb will be in making close to the same as Dyson.

2027-28: ~$20.8 million.
2028-29: ~$22.5 million.
2029-30: ~$24.2 million (Player Option).

Dyson is 25 million over those years.

So you rather not pay a few million extra for a player that’s just starting to scratch his potential and has already surpassed Herb as a player?

We paid more for Looney this year than the difference of those three years combined between Herb and DD.

since you did this analysis already maybe you could clue us in. If I knew how to do this analysis of Herbs shooting percentage from 3 last season, what might I notice and conclude?