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NTSB releases 3D reconstruction of DC midair collision from last year
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:31 pm
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Posted on 1/27/26 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
DEI murdered those people.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:00 pm to RollTide1987
I'm no pilot but wtf man
"PAT25 pass behind the CRJ"
*proceeds to fly right in front of it*
"PAT25 pass behind the CRJ"
*proceeds to fly right in front of it*
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:04 pm to RollTide1987
Damn I couldn't even see the helicopter and I knew it was coming.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:18 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Visual spatial skills lacking among a particular pilot cohort.
Just sayin’
Not sure how you miss the huge airliner lit up like a Christmas tree coming in hot from your left but what do I know. I just have a penis.
Just sayin’
Not sure how you miss the huge airliner lit up like a Christmas tree coming in hot from your left but what do I know. I just have a penis.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:19 pm to RollTide1987
Is there not collision warning systems in aircraft?
But yeah the helo was visible for a spit second right before impact
But yeah the helo was visible for a spit second right before impact
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:26 pm to DarkDrifter
Curious if the obviously-black-voiced controller still has his job.
He was the guy that kept asking if the helo had the crj in sight while watching them head towards each other on his scope.
At some point you gotta override.
He was the guy that kept asking if the helo had the crj in sight while watching them head towards each other on his scope.
At some point you gotta override.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:32 pm to forkedintheroad
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He was the guy that kept asking if the helo had the crj in sight while watching them head towards each other on his scope.
Yeah I’m need to go back and listen to it again. Listening while sitting in traffic.
But I agree that had to look off to that guy in ATC
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:35 pm to FnTigers
quote:
DEI murdered those people.
Maybe. But 0.00% of any transcript from either the Heli or TC was a woman as far as I heard. Which was honestly not what I was expecting. It was all men. As if it even mattered
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:40 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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proceeds to fly right in front of it*
I believe they were looking at the wrong aircraft through their goggles. They were confirming they had the crk in sight but it was actually off to their left.
My interpretation anyway. To me, the crj would have had a better viewung angle but not sure how well lot up that helicopter is.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:43 pm to Pax Regis
quote:its not uncommon, especially at night. hell i dont even like to drive at night, and i quit running a boat at night many many years ago. but i'm not have have never been a pilot
Visual spatial skills lacking among a particular pilot cohort.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 4:44 pm to DarkDrifter
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Yeah I’m need to go back and listen to it again. Listening while sitting in traffic.
But I agree that had to look off to that guy in ATC
It's an animation from the Helo, as the video begins. With dual verbiage on a split screen in text below. It's not what I expected anyway. I never heard the male in the bird, ATC or anyone say divert or anything. Almost like it was a tech disaster unforeseen
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:13 pm to RollTide1987
When video starts at 8:45:00, Helo is at 210 feet.
At 8:45:30, helo has drifted up to 400 feet.
Instructor says you're at 300 feet come down for me. (not sure about 100 foot difference between what he sees and what video shows)
At 8:47:00 helo is at 230 feet (down 170 from when instructor requested) but never goes lower than that.
By 8:47:30, helo is back up to 320 feet (up 90 feet)
At 8:47:58 collison occurs with helo at 280 feet.
IF Helo would have stayed at the 230 foot altitude that it was OR stayed at the 320 feet that it drifted back up to, it would have passed under or over the plane even on the collision path.
At 8:45:30, helo has drifted up to 400 feet.
Instructor says you're at 300 feet come down for me. (not sure about 100 foot difference between what he sees and what video shows)
At 8:47:00 helo is at 230 feet (down 170 from when instructor requested) but never goes lower than that.
By 8:47:30, helo is back up to 320 feet (up 90 feet)
At 8:47:58 collison occurs with helo at 280 feet.
IF Helo would have stayed at the 230 foot altitude that it was OR stayed at the 320 feet that it drifted back up to, it would have passed under or over the plane even on the collision path.
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:26 pm to Shreve Perry
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Maybe. But 0.00% of any transcript from either the Heli or TC was a woman as far as I heard. Which was honestly not what I was expecting. It was all men. As if it even mattered
The pilot operating the helicopter was a woman. Her instructor, the male, was operating radios.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:38 pm to Tuscaloosa
Right. Totally verified. So, what's the disconnect here? Her, instructor, ATC or plane? Eerie scene nonetheless, but this seems like a cluster.
For example, do inbound aircraft put on night vision goggles as they navigate approach to Reagan? Give me an animated video of Plane 1 with zero windshield obstruction, no goggles, clear ATC COMMS and a couple of dudes riding the bird down not seeing/hearing about a single obstruction
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:56 pm to Shreve Perry
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So, what's the disconnect here?
Planes arriving over Potomac are typically approaching Runway 1. They swung the Regional Jet out to Runway 33 at the same time the helo was maneuvering around East Potomac Park and they lost visual.
Helo got complacent
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:57 pm to CapitalTiger
So, ATC "swung" what?
quote:
They swung the Regional Jet out to Runway 33 at the same time the helo was maneuvering around East Potomac Park
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:58 pm to Pax Regis
quote:
Not sure how you miss the huge airliner lit up like a Christmas tree coming in hot from your left but what do I know. I just have a penis.
My guess is the night vision goggles. It is tunnel vision. This video does not simulate those accurately. I believe, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, both people in the front seats are supposed to be scanning because of the limited visibility through night vision.
I know a guy who used to fly Marine One, flew Ospreys and now flies for a major carrier. He said he used to fly this route frequently. It sounded to me like it was always an accident waiting to happen.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 5:58 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
"PAT25 pass behind the CRJ"
Supposedly there were audio transmission issues so they only heard “PAT CRJ”
Posted on 1/27/26 at 6:02 pm to FnTigers
quote:
DEI murdered those people.
Nah
Flying in invisible mode killed people
Completely asinine in a crowded commercial airspace
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