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This is what happened during the latest Minneapolis shooting.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:22 pm
I’ll skip over all of the shite that happened prior to the shootings and just focus on the shooting itself.
From the videos I’ve seen from numerous angles, it appears that when the 3 or 4 Border Patrol agents were wrestling with him, another agent spotted the holstered gun and moved in to disarm him. He came from behind the suspect who was facing away from him on all fours, and hollered “Gun, gun, gun!” He reached down on the guys right hip and pulled the pistol from the holster. Then he immediately turned to his left, towards the middle of the street with the pistol in his right hand pointed downward and was walking quickly away from the melee behind him and it appears the pistol had an accidental discharge. This was the critical moment.
The pistol appears to be an Sig Sauer P320 which is kind of notorious for having accidental discharges. There are numerous lawsuits against Sig for injuries and one death due to this.
So when the pistol went off, the agents behind him wrestling with the suspect heard the gunshot and immediately got off the subject and drew their pistols and as the subject reached to his hip to check for his pistol, at least one or two BP agents opened fire on him at point blank range.
So to summarize, suspect wrestling with agents, an agent yells “gun” and grabbed it. I suspect that the agents wrestling with the suspect didn’t see him disarm the suspect, so they thought the suspect was still armed. Then seconds later there’s a gunshot right by them, they think the suspect has fired his weapon somehow, they immediately draw their pistols and opened fire as the suspect reached for his non existent pistol.
So it’s yet to be determined whether the agent accidentally caused the accidental discharge with his finger, or the gun went off due to the P320 problem.
But the gun discharging is what really caused the shooting.
From the videos I’ve seen from numerous angles, it appears that when the 3 or 4 Border Patrol agents were wrestling with him, another agent spotted the holstered gun and moved in to disarm him. He came from behind the suspect who was facing away from him on all fours, and hollered “Gun, gun, gun!” He reached down on the guys right hip and pulled the pistol from the holster. Then he immediately turned to his left, towards the middle of the street with the pistol in his right hand pointed downward and was walking quickly away from the melee behind him and it appears the pistol had an accidental discharge. This was the critical moment.
The pistol appears to be an Sig Sauer P320 which is kind of notorious for having accidental discharges. There are numerous lawsuits against Sig for injuries and one death due to this.
So when the pistol went off, the agents behind him wrestling with the suspect heard the gunshot and immediately got off the subject and drew their pistols and as the subject reached to his hip to check for his pistol, at least one or two BP agents opened fire on him at point blank range.
So to summarize, suspect wrestling with agents, an agent yells “gun” and grabbed it. I suspect that the agents wrestling with the suspect didn’t see him disarm the suspect, so they thought the suspect was still armed. Then seconds later there’s a gunshot right by them, they think the suspect has fired his weapon somehow, they immediately draw their pistols and opened fire as the suspect reached for his non existent pistol.
So it’s yet to be determined whether the agent accidentally caused the accidental discharge with his finger, or the gun went off due to the P320 problem.
But the gun discharging is what really caused the shooting.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 6:39 pm
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:25 pm to bhtigerfan
This is what the video seems to indicate to me. I would really like to see more of how the altercation started before they ended up wrestling on the ground, but so far, it looks like a tragedy that wasn't really the officers' faults. This seems like a case that's going to cause a serious lawsuit.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:30 pm to bhtigerfan
So it’s yet to be determined whether the agent accidentally caused the accidental discharge with his finger, or the gun went off due to the P320 problem.
Can we agree that if the deceased:
1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene
2) would not have been in an obstructing position to ICE
3) would not have resisted ICE commands
then we wouldn't be in this situation and we wouldn't have to determine your position above (which is the choice between accidental discharge and defective weapon discharge).
Can we agree that if the deceased:
1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene
2) would not have been in an obstructing position to ICE
3) would not have resisted ICE commands
then we wouldn't be in this situation and we wouldn't have to determine your position above (which is the choice between accidental discharge and defective weapon discharge).
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:35 pm to jammajin
quote:Yes I can agree with this. He made several poor decisions that led to his death.
Can we agree that if the deceased:
1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene
2) would not have been in an obstructing position to ICE
3) would not have resisted ICE commands
then we wouldn't be in this situation and we wouldn't have to determine your position above (which is the choice between accidental discharge and defective weapon discharge).
But I’m just trying to describe the events that caused the actual shooting, not what led up to it.
Basically it all boils down to an accidental discharge that caused the shooting.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:38 pm to jammajin
quote:
Can we agree that if the deceased:
1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene
Technically true, but I believe in the fundamental right to carry. I believe EVERYONE should have the right to conceal carry everywhere all of the time.
quote:
2) would not have been in an obstructing position to ICE
I haven't seen enough video to indicate the extent to which he was actually doing this, unlike the woman with the car.
quote:
3) would not have resisted ICE commands
I'll give you this one, but once again, I would like to see the video to see exactly what he was ordered to do, when, why, and to what extent he refused to comply. Refusal to comply with every police request shouldn't necessarily be a death sentence.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:40 pm to bhtigerfan
It really does look like a series of unfortunate events.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:41 pm to jammajin
quote:
Can we agree that if the deceased: 1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene
this is so fricking pathetic & unbelievable to hear from the right, holy shite. You’ll say anything to avoid admitting ICE just might have some cracked eggs in their ranks.
No amount of blaming the dead guy justifies that outcome, it was a failure on the part of law enforcement.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:48 pm to kingbob
"Technically true, but I believe in the fundamental right to carry. I believe EVERYONE should have the right to conceal carry everywhere all of the time."
I do as well.. I also believe in the incredible responsibility that that fundamental right comes with, both to yourself and the people around you.
So unless this guy got chased down the street by ICE in whatever video we still need to see, I place the vast vast majority of the responsibility for this incident on the dope who got himself anywhere close to this situation while carrying
I do as well.. I also believe in the incredible responsibility that that fundamental right comes with, both to yourself and the people around you.
So unless this guy got chased down the street by ICE in whatever video we still need to see, I place the vast vast majority of the responsibility for this incident on the dope who got himself anywhere close to this situation while carrying
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:57 pm to bhtigerfan
Sounds like textbook reasonable use of deadly force. Pretti was a dumbass for showing up armed, and then getting into a physical altercation with LE.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:59 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:
No amount of blaming the dead guy justifies that outcome, it was a failure on the part of law enforcement.
Dead guy was a dumbass with a shitty firearm, which is why he is a dead guy. It was a situation of his own making. Deal with it, soycuck.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:05 pm to jammajin
quote:
would not have resisted ICE commands
What and when were specific commands given and how did he respond? I keep asking this question to those saying he resisted bc I don think it was clear ar rhis point that any commands were given during the arrest and or that after being hit with pepper spray twice and tackled by 7 men , one of whom was pistol.whippjng him....that he was capable of following commands. He was probably blind couldnt breath and didnt know what the frick was going on when he was hit with the pepper spray and then 10 seconds later he was dead
Perhaps it will become clearer in time
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:07 pm to kingbob
quote:
but so far, it looks like a tragedy that wasn't really the officers' fault
Even though they're the ones that started the altercation?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:10 pm to jammajin
quote:
1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene 2) would not have been in an obstructing position to ICE 3) would not have resisted ICE comman
So let me get this straight, you’re suggesting that we all now:
1) leave our guns at home
2) not protest or record the actions of federal agents
3) just comply to all commands
Got it…goal posts moved!!
We will see more when the body camera footage is released, but from what we’ve seen so far he was not obstructing or resisting commands.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:10 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
the subject reached to his hip to check for his pistol
Not to.quibble as I agree with most of what you wrote but its hard to say what he was doing with his arm...it moved or swung in that direction but who knows why.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:17 pm to bhtigerfan
Sounds consistent with what I saw. But kudos to you for focusing on it enough to sort all that out.
I tried but gave up. Ain’t nobody got time fo dat.
End result is that they shot and killed a man they disarmed which is not good.
I tried but gave up. Ain’t nobody got time fo dat.
End result is that they shot and killed a man they disarmed which is not good.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:19 pm to jammajin
quote:
Can we agree that if the deceased: 1) would not have brought the P320 to the scene 2) would not have been in an obstructing position to ICE 3) would not have resisted ICE commands
We can agree on that all day long. But that is not legal justification for use of deadly force under applicable law and protocol.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:19 pm to bhtigerfan
I could give a shite why it happened. A commie is dead. That's good enough for me.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:20 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:
Not to.quibble as I agree with most of what you wrote but its hard to say what he was doing with his arm...it moved or swung in that direction but who knows why.
Yep and only the deceased knows the answer to that question. What matters now is what was the officers interpretation of his actions along with other LEO yelling he has a gun. I know what I have would thought especially with a completely out of control situation.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:20 pm to bhtigerfan
So from that breakdown we can determine that if dipshit stayed home, he would still be alive.
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