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5 minutes to watch European perspective on Greenland
Posted on 1/14/26 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 5:52 pm
Entertaining if you have 5 minutes.
-the "awful truth is that the US gets what it wants"
-the real reason Trump wants to do this is just for the glory of being the person who got Greenland
-the "awful truth is that the US gets what it wants"
-the real reason Trump wants to do this is just for the glory of being the person who got Greenland
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 5:54 pm to IvoryBillMatt
France's version of NPR. The typical European doesn't ever think about Greenland or its existence. Neither did Americans. Until Trump starts talking about it.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 5:55 pm to IvoryBillMatt
This is the best discussion I've seen - a Danish PM and a couple of domain experts, all talking soberly.
The 2nd guest makes an interesting point: if sovereignty is defined as "able to provide for the safety of", the Denmark is a bit disingenuous in claiming they can do so for Greenland.
She also remarks on the under-reported relevance of the geopolitics of space.
The PM raises a good question: if the US is so concerned about security, why have they not massively built up militarily in the past decades, as is its right under the current agreement.
The 2nd guest makes an interesting point: if sovereignty is defined as "able to provide for the safety of", the Denmark is a bit disingenuous in claiming they can do so for Greenland.
She also remarks on the under-reported relevance of the geopolitics of space.
The PM raises a good question: if the US is so concerned about security, why have they not massively built up militarily in the past decades, as is its right under the current agreement.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:00 pm to deeprig9
Jimmy Carr's advice to Denmark: if they're going to take it one way or other you might as well get some money for it.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
if the US is so concerned about security, why have they not massively built up militarily in the past decades
What?
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:01 pm to kilo
quote:The guests walk through the history of the treaty/agreement governing the US and Greenland from the early 1900s. The claim is made that, under that agreement, the US can basically build as big of bases there as it wants - and yet, if anything, US military presence has shrunk in recent decades.
What?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
Hey thanks for that link. Going to watch when I get home later.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
The PM raises a good question: if the US is so concerned about security, why have they not massively built up militarily in the past decades, as is its right under the current agreement.
Because it voids Trump’s public rationale for this stupidity.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:05 pm to Decatur
quote:I don't agree that it's stupid for the US to want to control Greenland. You do? Why?
Because it voids Trump’s public rationale for this stupidity.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
Context: they don’t want it.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yup. We have had an agreement since about 1951 (I think) that has allowed to build bases pretty much at will. We went from about 10,000 troops in the 1960s to the current historic low of about 200.
Also, there aren't Russian and Chinese ships and subs around Greenland. Last Chinese warship in Greenland waters was over 10 years ago.
Also, there aren't Russian and Chinese ships and subs around Greenland. Last Chinese warship in Greenland waters was over 10 years ago.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:10 pm to kilo
quote:
What?
US military IN GREENLAND.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:27 pm to IvoryBillMatt
The U.S. has wanted Greenland for a while.
It’s one of the few realities that gives the U.S. any parity in rare earth metals.
Mountain Pass is still years away from being productive and even there most of the extremely important resources aren’t present.
It’s one of the few realities that gives the U.S. any parity in rare earth metals.
Mountain Pass is still years away from being productive and even there most of the extremely important resources aren’t present.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:42 pm to IvoryBillMatt
The Danish and Greenlandic foreign ministers gave their comments on today's meeting with Vance and Rubio. Described the result as "Agree to Disagree."
Haven't seen any reporting about comments from US side. Has anyone?
Haven't seen any reporting about comments from US side. Has anyone?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
The PM raises a good question: if the US is so concerned about security, why have they not massively built up militarily in the past decades, as is its right under the current agreement.
Prob more because Trump wasn’t president and we’ve had people in government more friendly to countries like China.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:23 pm to dgnx6
I’d highly recommend watching the video posted by Big Scrub.
I am interested in the view of those outside the US, particularly Europeans and what the deeper driver for these actions are. I believe this is a British journalist. The content is long, about 45 minutes, and excellent for understanding the viewpoints and deeper reasons. He interviews a Danish political expert, an arctic minerals expert who is extremely familiar with the historical aspects of the area, and an arctic geopolitical expert. They avoid choosing sides, except the Dane to some extent, and focus on laying out the facts, background and speculating reasons for the varying viewpoints. There are some drivers explained on here that I had never heard mentioned. Everything is discussed from the historical view of the US on western colonialism to space (not the kind you need in your closet, the kind with stars), which is the biggest reason Greenland is important as given by the last interviewee. You can watch it and learn while remaining neutral or already having an opinion. It doesn’t attempt to sway opinions.
This one -
Big Scrub TX youtube post
I am interested in the view of those outside the US, particularly Europeans and what the deeper driver for these actions are. I believe this is a British journalist. The content is long, about 45 minutes, and excellent for understanding the viewpoints and deeper reasons. He interviews a Danish political expert, an arctic minerals expert who is extremely familiar with the historical aspects of the area, and an arctic geopolitical expert. They avoid choosing sides, except the Dane to some extent, and focus on laying out the facts, background and speculating reasons for the varying viewpoints. There are some drivers explained on here that I had never heard mentioned. Everything is discussed from the historical view of the US on western colonialism to space (not the kind you need in your closet, the kind with stars), which is the biggest reason Greenland is important as given by the last interviewee. You can watch it and learn while remaining neutral or already having an opinion. It doesn’t attempt to sway opinions.
This one -
Big Scrub TX youtube post
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:33 pm to IvoryBillMatt
He’s doing it for two outcomes.
One. Capitulation.. which I don’t think he really desires
Two… he wants Europe to finally get their balls back and stand up ready to fight the real enemies to the east. They are so weak that it takes your biggest ally to kick you in the balls to understand the chasmic shift in the world that will place many countries in desperation as we move through the next world cultural shift in technology.
One. Capitulation.. which I don’t think he really desires
Two… he wants Europe to finally get their balls back and stand up ready to fight the real enemies to the east. They are so weak that it takes your biggest ally to kick you in the balls to understand the chasmic shift in the world that will place many countries in desperation as we move through the next world cultural shift in technology.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:02 pm to dgnx6
quote:Trump has had 5 years as POTUS. Enough with the excuses.
Prob more because Trump wasn’t president and we’ve had people in government more friendly to countries like China.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:03 pm to Ramblin Wreck
quote:He's an actual MP in Daneland.
Danish political expert
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:05 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I don’t care what Europe has to say.
They have robbed the US taxpayer for decades on end.
They have robbed the US taxpayer for decades on end.
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