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Rocky Marciano vs Muhammad Ali (1970) computerized "SUPER FIGHT" (full w/interviews)

Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:18 am
Posted by EphesianArmor
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:18 am
This "event" was one of the most creative sporting "bouts" ever over fan debates of, "WHAT IF?"

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Muhammad Ali/ Cassius Clay was already a contemporary legendary, having been undefeated, never even been knocked down at the time. Rocky Marciano was the undefeated legend of the past.

The "Super Fight" was a filmed simulated bout between Muhammad Ali and Rocky Marciano using an NCR-315 computer. The Super Fight was shown around the world in theaters on January 20, 1970 and later broadcast on ABC (1970) and CBS (1977).

The film used 70 sparring sessions between the two, matched up by computer simulation to see which all-time great would win a hypothetical boxing match.

Logistical planning emphasized preserving spontaneity in participant responses, with radio producer Murray Woroner directing that the computer-generated fight outcome remain undisclosed until after the core filming segments were completed. This secrecy enabled the capture of unscripted reactions from Ali and Marciano during separate interview and commentary sessions, which were later synchronized with the simulated action in editing.

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Trivia:

-- Before they began filming in the summer of 1969...Rocky began training and lost 50 pounds and got a new hair piece so he'd look like he did in his prime...(1952-1956 when he was champ).

-- Marciano retired at age 32 in April 1956 at 49-0 with 43 KO's. In his prime he was 5-10 1/2, 185 lbs

-- Ali stood at 31-0 with 23 knockouts before having his title was stripped in 1967 for refusing to join the army in 1967. In his prime he was 6-3, 215

-- [ commenter overview ]: They "boxed" 70 1 minute rounds. All the info about the 2 fighters...(power...heart...chin...conditioning...ability to take a punch ) was fed into a computer...the computer gave a sort of "blow by blow synopsis of the fight and the rounds, matched up to computer probabilities.

At the beginning...Ali would come out and flick at Marciano's toupee'...and he knocked it loose. Ali said he was sorry. It happened 2 more times. Marciano was getting pissed. He worked Ali into a corner and "POW!"...Rocky threw a right hand body shot almost put Ali down! They stopped filming and Ali told the promoter Chris Dundee that he wanted $2,000 more if this was going to continue.(Both fighters were getting $10,000). Dundee sent somebody to the bank and he came back with the money! After that...Ali and Rocky got along just fine.

-- Ali said later that Marciano wasn't easy to hit.. Head punches were limited but body shots were OK. After filming was complete...Ali showed Rocky's friend trainer Lou Duva his arms and his ribs. Ali had pink welts from Rocky's "pulled" punches. He told Duva that Rocky was "crazy".

-- They both became friends and after they wrapped up filming...they agreed to take a bus tour...stop in the inner-cites...and talk to kids about non-violence.

-- Marciano was killed on August 31, 1969 near Newton Iowa in the crash of a small plane...the day before his 46th birthday. Ali's wife said that her husband broke down and cried when he heard the news.

-- Ali told Howard Cosell that he thought Marciano was better than Joe Frazier...and he didn't know if he could have beaten Rocky if both were in their primes! The film was released in Jan.1970 and it was sold out across the country




Grok details on the fight and the simulated bout
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:37 am to
Posted by SoFlaGuy
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:18 am to
He beat Joe Louis' arse
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:40 am to
There they go...

Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:45 am to
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He beat Joe Louis' arse


Sure. And in his prime. But way past Louis' prime. It was just a sad necessary payday for him; the poor guy was harassed for back-taxes or else this would have never happened.

Marciano was said to have felt bad about the situation of beating on the over-the-hill legend. (much the same as the prime Holmes vs 38 year old Ali in 1980.)
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 11:46 am
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:45 am to
Interesting, thanks for posting.

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Ali told Howard Cosell that he thought Marciano was better than Joe Frazier...and he didn't know if he could have beaten Rocky if both were in their primes!


This is Ali having kind words for a friend. Ali would have put him through the ringer.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
3505 posts
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:50 am to
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This is Ali having kind words for a friend.


I agree. Respect from one new friend and undefeated champ to another.

quote:

Ali would have put him through the ringer.


Maybe. Maybe not. That's what's intriguing about the "match-up".

Two totally different styles. I don't think Ali ever fought anyone like the crouching Marciano - who was said to purposely take a beating (kinda like Frazier) just to delivery his devastatingly powerful and immobilizing body-blows.
Posted by Marciano1
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:58 am to
Ali advantages:

Height +4 in
Weight + 20-30lb
Reach +11 in


Marciano had no chance in hypothetical match. They aren't even in the same weight class. Regardless, Ali would turn Marciano's face into ground meat.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 11:59 am
Posted by West Seattle Dude
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Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:09 pm to
Marciano retired because he knew he had no chance of beating a younger, stronger Sonny Liston.

Marciano was also in awe of Ali’s hand speed. There has never been a boxer who trained as hard as Rocky M. He trained everyday for 8 years. He would run 8-10 miles in the morning, went to the gym in the afternoon and then did 10 miles of fast walking in the evening. By the time he retired his body was broken down from the excessive training.
Posted by LSUlefty
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:17 pm to
Ali wins easily unless Rocky sneaks in a good Right.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:21 pm to
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Ali wins easily unless Rocky sneaks in a good Right.


"Unless". Or "when"?

Rocky wasn't a big target -- especially when he scrunched up. He'd no doubt have taken a flurry of blows from Ali to get that "good right" in. Or two. If he did with his focused power, Ali's ribs and stomach would have ached too much to keep his arms up.

The closest template to Marchiano was Joe Frazier's crouch and bore in style.

Posted by theballguy
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:26 pm to
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Regardless, Ali would turn Marciano's face into ground meat.


Ali could have done it though he would have had to have modified his style a bit (no doubt he could have -- he was very dynamic, very flexible).
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

Marciano had no chance in hypothetical match. They aren't even in the same weight class. Regardless, Ali would turn Marciano's face into ground meat.


Yeah, the numbers on paper don't look good for Rock. But no way was Ali dominating that match if both were in their prime.

Then there were his intangibles and technique that body dimensions can't account for.

A guy 5-10, 185 isn't supposed to hit like a freight train either -- but he did.

Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Marciano retired because he knew he had no chance of beating a younger, stronger Sonny Liston.


Where did you get that info? Were they scheduled to fight in 1956-1957?

quote:

Marciano was also in awe of Ali’s hand speed.

There has never been a boxer who trained as hard as Rocky M....By the time he retired his body was broken down from the excessive training.


Ali's hand speed was off the charts.

Was the reason for Marchiano hanging it up....losing it suddenly from as you said -- "excessive training"?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Marciano retired because he knew he had no chance of beating a younger, stronger Sonny Liston.


I don't think Liston was even raked when Marciano retired. Marciano announced his retirement on April 27, 1956 and Liston was only 14-1 at that point. Patterson stayed at Light Heavyweight until Marciano retired because D'Amato knew what would happen to Patterson's brittle Chin.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39160 posts
Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

Marciano retired because he knew he had no chance of beating a younger, stronger Sonny Liston.



You'll see boxing historians say that the Moore fight convinced Rocky he had to be at the Top of his game (in a young man's game) to keep winning, his insane conditioning and superhuman will in the ring and perhaps at 32 , he wasn't up to dedicating all the work necessary for such a grinder of a fighter.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

There they go...


That's dey one
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:34 pm to
Look, the "Joe Louis Is The Best" guy makes very convincing arguments and, I for one, am going to count myself on his side in this debate.

Posted by West Seattle Dude
West Sesttle
Member since Aug 2023
497 posts
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:45 pm to
Marciano knew that if he stayed active he would eventually have to deal with Liston. Not in ‘56 or ‘57, but down the line. The era of the sub-200lb heavyweight champions was over after Patterson. I saw Sonny Liston sign a contract to fight Eddie Machen at a televised Seattle Rainier baseball game around 1961. Liston won and the rest is history. Liston was not just a big puncher, but also a clever boxer.

I remember seeing Ali win the gold medal in the 60 Olympics.

Ali and Marciano became good friends and were planning a goodwill tour in America to create racial harmony.
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