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Ron Paul, M.D. - The Hegseth Killings Must Stop.

Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66580 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:10 pm
The GOAT has spoken.
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Last week the Pentagon, under “War Secretary” Pete Hegseth, carried out yet another military attack on a boat in the high seas that the Administration claims is smuggling drugs. That makes 23 boats blown up by the US military in the waters off Latin America – most near Venezuela – and nearly 100 persons killed.

To date the US government has provided no evidence to back up its claim that these boats are smuggling fentanyl and other dangerous drugs into the United States. The US Drug Enforcement Administration has reported that Venezuela neither manufactures nor transports fentanyl to the US. In fact, the DEA still concludes that Venezuela is barely a minor player in the drug game.

Is this really about drugs? Or is it about “regime change” for Venezuela?

When Adm. Alvin Holsey, the commander of US Southern Command, raised concerns about the legality of bombing boats on the high seas and extrajudicial killing, he was pushed out by Hegseth. His concerns were ignored.

When lawyers at the National Security Council, Pentagon, and Justice Department raised objections to the boat attacks they were reassigned or fired, according to press reports. Finally, President Trump’s own appointed lawyers at the Justice Department came up with a justification for killings. But it’s classified.

Last week the media reported on an incident from September where two survivors of the US strike were left clinging to the wreckage of their boat when the orders came to kill them too. It was clearly an illegal order, even according to the Pentagon’s own Laws of War manual.

Many Americans will not want to hear this, but this entire operation is illegal and immoral – from blowing up survivors to blowing up the boats in the first place. There is no legal justification to use military force against boats on the high sea that pose no imminent military threat to the United States.

Many supporters of this policy argue that the killings are “self-defense” because “narco-terrorists” are using narcotics as weapons against the American people. That is certainly what the Administration is claiming, having invented “narco-terrorist” as a new term to justify the killings.

Sadly, this shows how effective government war propaganda still is. It was used when both Republican and Democratic Administrations wanted to launch wars against Saddam Hussein, against Gaddafi, against Assad, and so on. New slogans are invented and a good deal of the public happily adopts them as their own. Anyone who challenges the new slogans is deemed unpatriotic or weak. When the war goes badly they pretend they were never fooled by government lies. Then it happens again and they repeat the new war slogans.

The “war on drugs” was launched by President Nixon a half century ago. It is obviously another failed government policy. Raising the stakes in a failed war is foolish and counterproductive. The solution to smuggling during alcohol prohibition was not to start bombing the bootleggers. It was to come to terms with basic economics: you cannot kill demand by killing supply.

More Americans die each year from alcohol use than from fentanyl use. Will strikes soon be launched against “alco-terrorists” who are killing Americans? Of course not…we hope. That is the danger of throwing away the laws of war: anything can happen next.

Congress has the authority to stop Secretary Hegseth from killing people on the high seas. It should do so without delay.


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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:11 pm to
Strong words from a man with a son taking millions annually from Maduro
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69298 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:14 pm to
I agree with him. Even if I think blowing up drug boats is good policy, it has to be done the right way. I am as concerned with Trump unilaterally blowing up drug boats as I was about the Obama Administration unilaterally enacting regime change in Libya and droning weddings. It's a slippery slope to allow the executive unilateral authority over what amounts to summary executions of individuals without due process, without Congressional approval, and only thinly justified by ever-changing press corps narratives.

If Trump wants to continue doing this, he needs Congress to approve the action via an expanded UAMF or via Congress issuing letters of Marque and Reprisal. There exist pathways to do this legally that Trump is ignoring. I don't like when Presidents get away with ignoring these pathways because it gets us closer and closer to Presidents labeling American citizens on American soil as "enemy combatants" or "drug runners" without evidence, without due process, and executing them via the touch of a button on an xbox controller in Langley.

If I were in Congress, I would likely vote in favor of an expanded AUMF to authorize Trump's actions (granted, only after the Trump Administration put forward some clear policy goals and evidence), but I would heavily criticize this Administration for taking action without bothering to seek out Congressional consent prior.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 2:20 pm
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:15 pm to
"war secretary"
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18498 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:16 pm to
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the US government has provided no evidence to back up its claim that these boats are smuggling fentanyl and other dangerous drugs


Then he should go and inspect a few of these boats on his own.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39322 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:17 pm to
Ron Paul has a very powerful son who could procedurally bring the Senate to a crawl , have his Staff Counselor file papers in Federal Court to stop the actions in the Caribbean if he wanted to, but hasn't seen fit to act.
Posted by NytroBud
LaFayette
Member since Jun 2009
5714 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:17 pm to
frick Ron Paul
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5535 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:19 pm to
I think I just upvoted a post from SFP........double checking........YES i did. I must say 10 hail mary's immediately and beg for forgiveness. Please almighty father guide me in these weird and unusual times!
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125350 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:20 pm to
Yeah. I agree with all of that.

I still refuse to hyperventilate over it.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:20 pm to
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"war secretary"



That gave me every indication where that article was headed
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125350 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:21 pm to
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Then he should go and inspect a few of these boats on his own.


Yeah. That was the weakest part of the opinion.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84222 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:21 pm to
A hatchet job?

Indeed
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112473 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:26 pm to
frick that contrarian attention whore
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
16717 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:26 pm to
frick his arse
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
2657 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:27 pm to
See, you're doing exactly what you said you weren't earlier. Siding with Paul who is here saying these guys aren't carrying drugs. Even though they are now being seen dumping their cargo into the sea.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
2657 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Strong words from a man with a son taking millions annually from Maduro


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SlowFlowPro


Precisely. And kudos for posting this.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296083 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:29 pm to
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frick Ron Paul


Found a commie.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296083 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:30 pm to
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frick that contrarian attention whore


A second Comrade..
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73147 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:30 pm to
Ron Paul opposed Ronald Reagan interfering with Berlin Wall
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8281 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:31 pm to
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Strong words from a man with a son taking millions annually from Maduro


Hadn't heard that. Link, please? Thx
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