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Baby Bonds could replace Social Security at a fraction of the cost

Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
135 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:19 pm
I’ve always felt that the only way to curb government spending is to completely overhaul Social Security (healthcare too but that’s another conversation). Inspired by the Trump baby bond idea, I used Grok to run some numbers.

First assumption - the average monthly Social Security payment is ~$2,000. If I want to cover 25 years of Social Security (ages 65-90), I would need ~$750k at the age of 65, assuming a 4% rate of return. I think this is a pretty safe estimate considering most people don’t make it 90. But even if they do, most people have supplemental retirement income (401ks) and family members to help take care past the age of 90. So in other words, the government needs to get $750k in your hands at the age of 65 to equal the benefits of Social Security.

If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.

In contrast, the government pays $1.5 trillion per year in Social Security. A baby bond program would be 15% of the cost while matching the benefits. Now obviously there would be a transition period where we’d be paying both programs. But a temporary addition of $216 billion to our budget isn’t going to put us under. In fact, it might be the only way for us to solve our spending problem.

Why aren’t more conservatives touting baby bonds as a replacement to Social Security? How can Rand Paul seriously suggest raising the SS age as a solution instead of this? It’s time we bring this idea to the mainstream.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 9:04 pm
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21262 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:30 pm to
Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71531 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:46 pm to
I read that as Barry Bonds and was kind of interested.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
3828 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.


Also, most people would spend the whole amount as soon as they could touch it.
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
1914 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:51 pm to
People would figure a way to sell off and still be government dependent. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
4862 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:59 pm to
Come on man. Where exactly are they supposed to get the cash to pay out for the people who are getting social security? A ponzi scheme doesn't work if you cut off the source of cash coming in from "new investors"
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16845 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.




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Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6344 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:02 pm to
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I read that as Barry Bonds and was kind of interested.
Same
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58478 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:04 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
1417 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:06 pm to
That's socialism. It does not work. The answer is never more socialism.
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
135 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:07 pm to
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Sounds wonderful, but the federal government would eventually figure out or pass laws that allow them to get their greasy hands on that money.


Oh come on, this is such a lazy take. I guess we shouldn’t try to fix anything then.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:09 pm to
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If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.


Why you tryna bring solid logic to FedGov bro?
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
1417 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:09 pm to
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Oh come on, this is such a lazy take. I guess we shouldn’t try to fix anything then.


The fix is less gment, less handouts. Not more of the same
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
135 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:11 pm to
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Also, most people would spend the whole amount as soon as they could touch it.


Make it so the money can’t be touched until 65. Put a payment plan in place once the account goes live. Or if people want to spend it all, be my guest. Not the government’s fault if you go broke.
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
135 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:22 pm to
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The fix is less gment, less handouts. Not more of the same


Well clearly you didn’t comprehend my post then. Baby bonds is way less government.

If you think we shouldn’t provide any retirement income at all, good luck with that. I just offered a solution that drastically cuts government spending while still protecting benefits and all the “conservatives” on this board scoff at it.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112447 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:24 pm to
Plus, the individual owns the asset.

Perish the thought
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14344 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:37 pm to
End em all. No more taxpayer funded retirement slush funds for our thieves in Washington.
Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
398 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 2:59 pm to
If it could be worked out I'd support it.

One thing I commonly see people forget about when discussing social security is disability etc. A portion of the costs of social security are the disabled etc.

It's one of the reasons that people think social security is such a bad return on investment. It's not great of course, but a portion of the money you put in also covers disability insurance.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26155 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:00 pm to
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If we take a conservative rate of return of 4%, you would need $60,000 at birth to have $750,000 65 years later. There are roughly 3.6 million births in the US per year. $60,000 times 3.6 million equals $216 billion per year.



750,000 in 60 years is different than 750,000 now..

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1. The Impact of Inflation (No Investment) If the $750,000 is simply held as cash, its purchasing power will be severely eroded by inflation. Using a historical average annual inflation rate of approximately 3% to 4%, its future purchasing power in 60 years would be significantly less. At a 3% average inflation rate, $750,000 would have the purchasing power of approximately $124,000 in today's money. At a 4% average inflation rate, $750,000 would have the purchasing power of approximately $69,000 in today's money.


I suggest you just bear with it because it will benefit you in the future.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5673 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:08 pm to
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The fix is less gment, less handouts. Not more of the same


Well clearly you didn’t comprehend my post then. Baby bonds is way less government.


What needs to happen is these accounts need to be funded by donations.

Kids can grow up havings a Michael Dell baby bond. Or a Warren Buffett baby bond. Or an Elon Musk baby bond. etc etc.

These billionaires want their names to be remembered forever. Well this would be a good way to do it.

Our government should not be funding baby bonds. It is broke.
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