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Wonder what it would cost to buy W Canada? Or is it better to just wait for the inevitable

Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:20 am
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:20 am


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Concerned about losing access to the port of New Orleans, in 1803 President Thomas Jefferson sent James Monroe and Robert Livingston to Paris to attempt to buy the city from France, authorizing them to offer France up to $10 million for it.

Meanwhile, Napoleon had concluded that it wasn’t worth the cost for France to try to hold onto its vast North American territory. So when Monroe and Livingstone arrived to commence negotiations, they were astonished when France offered to sell the United States not just New Orleans, but the entire Louisiana Territory. The American commissioners did not have authority to negotiate any such deal, but when France offered the entire territory for only $15 million (only $5 million more than they were prepared to offer for New Orleans alone), the deal was too good to turn down. On April 30, 1803 they signed the Louisiana Purchase Treaty, by which the United States would acquire 828,000 square miles of land, at a price of three cents per acre (sixty cents per acre in current dollars). The deal would double the size of the United States. “This is the noblest work of our whole lives,” Livingston remarked.

When the commissioners returned to the United States with the remarkable treaty, Jefferson was amazed and delighted. But the road to ratification was anything but smooth. There were very serious objections to the constitutionality of the treaty and there was also the inconvenient fact that the United States didn’t actually have $15 million. But in the end, the proponents of the purchase prevailed, the U.S. borrowed the money from British financiers, and on October 20, 1803 (two hundred twenty-two years ago today) the Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification of the Louisiana Purchase Treaty—one of the best real estate bargains in history. “From this day the United States take their place among the powers of the first rank,” Livingston said.

#archaeohistories
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:36 am to
The followup comments in that X thread are excellent.

Also, fwiw, ....

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$15,000,000 in 1803 US dollars is equivalent to approximately $430,056,637.17 in December 2025 dollars, reflecting the change in purchasing power due to inflation over 222 years.

This calculation uses the US Consumer Price Index (CPI), where the CPI was 11.3 in 1803 and 323.976 in 2025. The adjustment factor is 323.976 / 11.3 ˜ 28.6704, so $15,000,000 × 28.6704 = $430,056,637.17. This represents a cumulative inflation increase of 2,767.04%, or an average annual rate of 1.52%.

CPI data from 1913 onward comes from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, while pre-1913 values (including 1803) are historical estimates from sources like Robert Sahr's study at Oregon State University.


It was a steal of a deal, at the time, any way you look at it.

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Alberta is very serious about seceding from Canada and British Columbia and Saskatchewan will follow.

If MAGA is still in control via Vance, when it all goes down, Western Canada could very well become part of the United States.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 11:16 am
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35843 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:45 am to
Slow day, eh? Hosers.
Posted by CalcasieuTiger
Member since Mar 2014
742 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:46 am to
From a purely outdoors standpoint, this would be absolutely incredible.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46053 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:48 am to
Make Canada America's hat again.
Posted by retired_tiger
Member since Oct 2025
368 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Albert is very serious about succeeding from Canada and British Columbia and Saskatchewan will follow.


About 164 years ago, some pathetic losers attempted to do the same thing in the United States. It turned out to be the worst chapter in our nation's history.

Hopefully Canada will not suffer a civil war.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:01 am to
It’s “seceding.”
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:19 am to
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It’s “seceding.”

Thank you.

I should proofread before posting. Went back and caught three autocorrect errors ... Albert instead of Alberta, seceding instead of succeeding, and steal instead of steel.

Much appreciated.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71521 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:30 pm to
frick those degens from up north.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35687 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:34 pm to
Didn't the court up there rule that the independence vote is unconstitutional?
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18517 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

Wonder what it would cost to buy W Canada?

F that. They'll have to pay us
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52003 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:39 pm to
It should not depend on me to point out the obvious - $350
Posted by alphaandomega
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Member since Aug 2012
16649 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:51 pm to
One of the first comments to the X post was:

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And Rand Paul would have filibustered it.




Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
42069 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:02 pm to
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Didn't the court up there rule that the independence vote is unconstitutional?

I don't think Western Canucks give a cafrick.

Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8963 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:08 pm to
Western Canada is tired of paying the freight for idiots to the east.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26135 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:05 pm to
Nowhere in all of that did I get an inkling of desire for them to cut one loose and join a worse one. That would be extremely stupid if they are seeking independence.

But that’s just one side of the story, I’d like to see if anyone up there disagrees with his take.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:34 pm to
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Nowhere in all of that did I get an inkling of desire for them to cut one loose and join a worse one.

You believe the U.S. is worse than Canada?

You do not believe that Alberta has made open overtures to Trump about wanting to join the U.S.?

You've.not been keeping up these past ten months, have you? You've missed a lot.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26135 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

You believe the U.S. is worse than Canada? You do not believe that Alberta has made open overtures to Trump about wanting to join the U.S.? You've.not been keeping up these past ten months, have you? You've missed a lot.


America is in a hell of a mess right now and being run by an incompetent idiot. I know of no overtures from Alberta to want to become part of this country but maybe you can link some of these overtures so we can see them. I don’t watch fox.
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