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More historians call out Ken Burns on his BS documentary of the American Revolution

Posted on 11/27/25 at 10:56 pm
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 11/27/25 at 10:56 pm
I bailed 3 minutes into episode 1 when Burns tried to credit the the Iroquois Confederacy as the inspiration and guide for our nation's founding;.

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It was the American Revolution, “more than any other single event,” the famed historian Gordon Wood once observed, “that made America into the most liberal, democratic and modern nation in the world.” Someone should tell Ken Burns. The famed documentary filmmaker’s latest effort, The American Revolution, fails to capture the grandeur and uniqueness of our nation’s seminal event.

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the film opens with a misleading and historically inaccurate narrative.

“Long before 13 British colonies made themselves into the United States, the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy — Seneca, Cayuga, Onondaga, Tuscarora, Oneida, and Mohawk — had created a union of their own that they called the Haudenosaunee — a democracy that had flourished for centuries,” the narrator says.

The documentary then quotes a spokesman for the Iroquois Nation named Canasatego: “We heartily recommend union. We are a powerful confederacy. And by your observing the same methods our wise forefathers have taken, you will acquire fresh strength and power. Therefore, whatever befalls you, never fall out one with another.”

Burns would have viewers believe that Native Americans were responsible for the flowering of American democracy. But as a number of historians and writers have noted, this is entirely false. In fact, the idea that the Iroquois inspired America’s founders is an old theory that was debunked long ago. As the writer Dan McLaughlin put it: “it is agitprop masquerading as scholarship, in the same way that the 1619 Project relied upon cherry-picking scraps of the historical record and hoping nobody noticed the rest of the facts.” Later, Burns claims that George Washington “fired the very first shot” of the French and Indian War, a conflict that helped precipitate the Revolution. But this too is another claim that was long ago dismissed.

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Yet, Burns’s gravest sin isn’t the glaring — and, it must be said, intentionally misleading—historical narrative. Rather, it is the film’s insistence on stripping the majesty away from the Revolution and our founders.

Wood, arguably the grand dean of Revolutionary War studies, hardly gets any screen time. Instead, the script and countless commentators routinely appear to constantly connect everything to Native Americans “losing land” or slavery. In fact, neither played a seminal part in the Revolution. To be sure, both played some role, one that was neglected or overlooked for many years. Yet Burns gives them undue prominence and attention. The constant insistence on bringing these topics up makes the film practically unwatchable.

more here at the washington examiner

Posted by canyon
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Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:01 pm to
Everything that is great about America was brought to you by native populations that were still warring and slaughtering their own. But in a democratic way.
K Burns
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:02 pm to
Posted by GregMaddux
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:26 am to
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tried to credit the the Iroquois Confederacy as the inspiration and guide for our nation's founding;.


Pretty sure i was taught this in elementary school.
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:48 am to
As the article points out, it has been debunked
Posted by BoomerandSooner
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:52 am to
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Pretty sure i was taught this in elementary school.


Impressive. I went to elementary in the late 70's and we were handed scissors, Elmers glue and construction paper to make a turkey.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:08 am to
Burns has been on a downward slide in terms of historical accuracy and scholarship for years.

His focus shifted from a comprehensive historical analysis crafted with the words of varied primary participants and developed and refined with the commentary of serious, respected historians to, conversely, a thinly veiled projection of desired themes and arguments that are utilized to shape the history itself.

It’s disappointing and sad because some of his older work is masterful. But he seems to be on a determined mission that is less focused on historiography and more obsessed with forcing an ideological narrative.

This is not completely new. A lot of bad historiography has existed in batches before, particularly from monks in the Dark Ages and Marxist historians in the Soviet era.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:31 am to
Ken Burns needs his arse beat.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:33 am to
I dont think Maddux is agreeing with Ken Burns, he is stating this propaganda was fed to him as well when he was a kid.

Personally I still cant get over the Pilgrims, The first Thanksgiving........And Spain had colonized St. Augustine over 50 years before and is somehow just disregarded as if that didnt count. English influence over American history.
Posted by Upperaltiger06
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 5:08 am to
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Personally I still cant get over the Pilgrims, The first Thanksgiving........And Spain had colonized St. Augustine over 50 years before and is somehow just disregarded as if that didnt count. English influence over American history.


I didn’t know until several months ago that the Alabama and Florida flags were derived from the flag of burgundy used by the Spanish conquistadors.
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:19 am to
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More historians call out Ken Burns


I read your link. I did not see any examples of "historians calling out Ken Burns" It is written by a "journalist" who isn't a historian and the only person it quotes is a sportswriter.
Posted by Swamp Angel
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:27 am to
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I didn’t know until several months ago that the Alabama and Florida flags were derived from the flag of burgundy used by the Spanish conquistadors.


I didn't know this until a few minutes ago. Thanks for that footnote in history there!
Posted by sledgehammer
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:27 am to
I’m on episode 2, but I think historian Rick Atkinson is doing a good job every time he’s interviewed.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:28 am to
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Personally I still cant get over the Pilgrims, The first Thanksgiving........And Spain had colonized St. Augustine over 50 years before and is somehow just disregarded as if that didnt count. English influence over American history.



Yep.

Historians are now pretty certain that the first Thanksgiving celebration to occur between Europeans and Native Americans occurred at St. Augustine on September 8, 1565. But because it was Spanish, and therefore Catholic, our 19th Century brethren completely ignored it in favor of the Calvinist event that occurred at Plymouth in 1621.
Posted by mauser
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:32 am to
I think Ken likes to be invited to Manhattan penthouse cocktail parties
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:42 am to
The Founding Fathers needed help from Stone Age people who hadn't invented the wheel or writing. OK.
Posted by Bama Mountain
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:46 am to
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I’m on episode 2, but I think historian Rick Atkinson is doing a good job every time he’s interviewed.


I have not read his books on the Revolutionary war but his first book on West Point's class of 1966 was very impressive.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Member since Aug 2005
47858 posts
Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:53 am to
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But because it was Spanish, and therefore Catholic, our 19th Century brethren completely ignored it in favor of the Calvinist event that occurred at Plymouth in 1621.

That is a true factoid - but irrelevant wrt our evolution into the nation we are today.

The St. Augustine event did not have an influence onto our later cultural development.

So it is a footnote in history.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:53 am to
Burns is yet another loon who will burn his legacy on the altar of political correctness.
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:54 am to
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Impressive. I went to elementary in the late 70's and we were handed scissors, Elmers glue and construction paper to make a turkey.

You couldn't have a Big Chief tablet today, it would be racist or something.
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