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US may owe $1 trillion in refunds if SCOTUS cancels Trump tariffs
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:59 am
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:59 am
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If Donald Trump loses his Supreme Court fight over tariffs, the US may be forced to return “tens of billions of dollars to companies that have paid import fees this year, plus interest,” The Atlantic reported. And the longer the verdict is delayed, the higher the refunds could go, possibly even hitting $1 trillion.
For tech companies both large and small, the stakes are particularly high. A Trump defeat would not just mean clawing back any duties paid on imports to the US that companies otherwise can use to invest in their competitiveness. But, more critically in the long term, it would also end tariff shocks that, as economics lecturer Matthew Allen emphasized in a report for The Conversation, risked harming “innovation itself” by destabilizing global partnerships and diverse supply chains in “tech-intensive, IP-led sectors like semiconductors and software.”
Currently, the Supreme Court is weighing two cases that argue that the US president does not have unilateral authority to impose tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA). Defending his regime of so-called “reciprocal tariffs,” Trump argued these taxes were necessary to correct the “emergency” of enduring trade imbalances that he alleged have unfairly enriched other countries while bringing the US “to the brink of catastrophic decline.”
Not everyone thinks Trump will lose. But after oral arguments last week, prediction markets dropped Trump’s odds of winning from 50 to 25 percent, Forbes reported, due to Supreme Court justices appearing skeptical.
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Question for the MB: If the government is indeed forced to refund these tariffs, what effect could it have on inflation? I'm not sure how the money flow works and I'm curious about the second and third order effects.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:09 am to Street Hawk
This will be filed with the other obscure “judicial necessity” cases you learn in conlaw.
Ask any native how winning the improper takings battles worked out.
Ask any native how winning the improper takings battles worked out.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:12 am to Street Hawk
So does that mean consumers who those costs were passed down to will then have a claim to reimbursement?
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:20 am to go ta hell ole miss
It will be like every other ruling that goes against the government that deals with money. Congrats on the moral victory. But, the foundation of government and the social compact is more important than making the citizens whole.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:30 am to Street Hawk
I'd imagine the courts may put a timeframe on it to maybe allow Congress to convene and pass the tariffs to avoid economic crisis but who knows
Posted on 11/16/25 at 1:30 pm to HailToTheChiz
Maybe a settlement where companies get future tax savings, deductions etc to offset the losses
Posted on 11/16/25 at 3:29 pm to Street Hawk
What about the Biden steel tariffs? How far back does it go?
Posted on 11/16/25 at 3:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What about the Biden steel tariffs?
What about them?
Those weren't created via the IEEPA so they won't be affected by this ruling.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 6:14 pm to UltimaParadox
quote:Everyone has said the entire time that the consumer eats the costs of tariffs. Why would the companies be due anything?
Maybe a settlement where companies get future tax savings, deductions etc to offset the losses
Posted on 11/16/25 at 6:33 pm to beaverfever
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Everyone has said the entire time that the consumer eats the costs of tariffs. Why would the companies be due anything
The companies pay the tariffs and they pass that increased cost on to the consumer by raising prices. So if Walmart gets reimbursed I’m sure they will pass that on to the consumers. (Sarcasm)
Posted on 11/16/25 at 8:27 pm to Street Hawk
Well if the consumers pay them (and that's the argument they are making - that it's a tax) - it would basically have to be a massive tax credit or stimulus check.
So yeah the inflation pressure would be enormous.
But none of that is going to happen.
So yeah the inflation pressure would be enormous.
But none of that is going to happen.
Posted on 11/16/25 at 8:53 pm to beaverfever
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Everyone has said the entire time that the consumer eats the costs of tariffs. Why would the companies be due anything?
Not sure anyone has said that the customer has ate the entire cost. They are definitely raising prices due to tariffs, but I'm sure they have absorbed some early.
However it does appear they have been pushing more and more down to consumers.
As usual though the customers will get screwed
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:41 pm to Street Hawk
Would love this this to cause all other countries to pay back tarrifs they charged us for over the years.
4 d chess.
That is in the neighborhood of TRILLIONS.
4 d chess.
That is in the neighborhood of TRILLIONS.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 8:25 am
Posted on 11/16/25 at 10:44 pm to Street Hawk
Where’s the math on this?
We’ve only received like 80-100 billion more in tariff income than this time last year. Not sure how that turns into 1 trillion in refunds
We’ve only received like 80-100 billion more in tariff income than this time last year. Not sure how that turns into 1 trillion in refunds
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:26 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't believe Congress placed those tariffs, the Biden Administration did, the same as Trump now. Biden claimed National Security concerns then when placing the tariffs.
Froom Brave AI,
I wanted to edit for this
as I'm sure you're going to argue the steel tariff is not part of IEEPA. Yes, it's not part of IEEPA, regardless of the reason, the tariff is enacted by Presidential edict and not Congress.
Froom Brave AI,
quote:
President Joe Biden placed new steel tariffs on imports from Mexico; Congress did not enact these measures. On July 10, 2024, the Biden administration announced a "melted and poured" requirement for steel imported from Mexico, reinstating a 25% Section 232 tariff on steel articles that were not melted and poured in Mexico, the United States, or Canada.
This action was taken to prevent circumvention of existing U.S. tariffs by third countries, particularly China, routing steel through Mexico.
The policy was implemented via presidential proclamation under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, not through congressional legislation.
While some lawmakers expressed concerns that the measures were insufficient and introduced related legislation, the tariffs themselves were unilaterally imposed by the executive branch.
I wanted to edit for this
quote:
Those weren't created via the IEEPA so they won't be affected by this ruling.
as I'm sure you're going to argue the steel tariff is not part of IEEPA. Yes, it's not part of IEEPA, regardless of the reason, the tariff is enacted by Presidential edict and not Congress.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 6:03 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:15 am to Victor R Franko
quote:I guess this is my question. SCOTUS is only considering this narrow application?
as I'm sure you're going to argue the steel tariff is not part of IEEPA. Yes, it's not part of IEEPA, regardless of the reason, the tariff is enacted by Presidential edict and not Congress.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:35 pm to Street Hawk
How can the government owe more than they have collected?
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:44 pm to windriverwonders
quote:
How can the government owe more than they have collected?
How can they spend more than they collect?

Posted on 11/18/25 at 7:54 am to Street Hawk
if we collected 1 trillion in just this short amount of time since trump was elected why cant we just keep going and wipe out the debt of 38 trillion?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:57 pm to Victor R Franko
quote:
I don't believe Congress placed those tariffs, the Biden Administration did,
Yes, pursuant to statutes authorizing tariffs
The issue is the IEEPA may not authorize tariffs
quote:
the same as Trump now
No he chose a statute that doesn't reference tariffs and has never been used for tariffs, which is why the tariffs are being litigated.
Again, the Biden tariffs weren't created via the IEEPA so they won't be affected by this ruling.
The Trump tariffs were created via the IEEPA, which is the potential issue.
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