Started By
Message
locked post

It's time to get smarter about hiring HC's, starting with cheap talent having 90%+ W rates

Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:37 am
Posted by Footballguy1800
Member since Oct 2025
348 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:37 am
The risk is simply too high to be locked into 10 years, or have to fork up over $70,000,000. The next hire could be the exact same thing as this again which would require forking up $120 mil over a 4 to 5 year span. That's a reality that every fan must realize. Most don't want to think that it could be, but it could be the exact same thing again.

My advice is to go get the Ferris St head coach who led them and Chambliss to 50+ striaght wins and back to back to back Nati's in D2. Sign him to a 2 year, $3 mil contract. He only makes $200k per year now. He'd obviously sign that as it over 7x's his income, along with the notoriety of HC for LSU. If he sucks, buyout is easily manageable, sub $1 mil. You can continue to do this until maybe the 2nd or 3rd one works. That's only if the 1st one doesn't work, which it could.. This is at most a 4 year process. That is significantly better than giving a head coach a 10 year, $100 mil contract who sucks, then you have to accept mediocrity for 10 seasons. It also frees up so much money for NIL which is the only thing that players care about as evidenced by Texas Tech. We would afford to buy a much better roster with a head coach who isn't as financially demanding. Revenue sharing only adds another $20 million expense to the program leaving only less money to go to coaches. That's how the NFL works. Good players make more money than coaches.

I don't care what head coach you are a team of, winning 94 of the last 100 games and 3 Nati's in a row is elite. And he's only making $200k. I think going a route like this is exponentially better. There's absolutely no risk. His buyout would be $1.5 mil after just 1 season.

College football is stuck in a model that existed because there was no NIL or revenue share to go to players, so it freed up cash for coaches. That no longer exists. I think BK has 2 more years if I'm being honest unless Todd Graves has had enough. Todd, we all love you.

I don't care if someone disagrees with me, because I know as well as 1+1 equals 2, that this is absolutely the best way to do this. Moneyball. There is no argument against it. Oh, he sucks after 1 year? $1.5 mil buyout. Next FCS nati coach comes here after him, and goes 10-2 in his first year? Bam, problem solved. And you just saved $100,000,000 that can go to NIL. Money Ball for College Football

Never assume that because a process exists today, that it means it's the most efficient. Picture life in 1400. Picture life today. That change is solely because some people thought there was a better way to do something.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 3:48 am
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
45556 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:02 am to
Man, there's so much stupidity in this post, I wouldn't even know where to start. Instead, I feel it's best to keep it short and simple and just call you an idiot.
Posted by Footballguy1800
Member since Oct 2025
348 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:03 am to
quote:

Man, there's so much stupidity in this post, I wouldn't even know where to start. Instead, I feel it's best to keep it short and simple and just call you an idiot.



If you're calling me an idiot, then tisk, tisk. There is no way you can think the current method is the best way to do it. There's a reason we are in this position to begin with, and it's people like you who think the current way is the best way to do it.

Your way just led to a loss vs Vanderbilt. Your way is bankrupting this football team and holding us hostage to hang onto a coach that we know won't win big games.

Most ADs would be too uncomfortable doing this because it changes the status quo at such a national level. Not because they'd think it's a bad idea, but to avoid the discomfort of being a pioneer radicalizing college football into a whole new operation. Money Ball, but for College Football. Just being smart with your money to optimize your goal is more like it.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 4:08 am
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
25767 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 4:55 am to
I got bad news for you.. we got the industry's biggest dumbass when it comes to hiring football coaches.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138107 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:11 am to
Florida did this with Billy Napier and we saw how that worked out
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6208 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:15 am to
You would have gotten Sun Belt Billy last time with this strategy
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38175 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:15 am to
quote:

My advice is to go get the Ferris St head coach who led them and Chambliss to 50+ striaght wins



As long as you’re not a “the only reason bk beat Alabama was because of Jayden Daniels” guy.

Because you’ll say, “we never should have hired the FS guy because Chamliss made him look good”.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
12261 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:16 am to
Woodward pretty much did this by going cheap and hiring Matt McMahon for LSU basketball and the program is a complete dumpster fire. You sure you want to do that with football?
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
39738 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:16 am to
quote:

My advice is to go get the Ferris St head coach who led them and Chambliss to 50+ striaght wins and back to back to back Nati's in D2. Sign him to a 2 year, $3 mil contract. He only makes $200k per year now. He'd obviously sign that as it over 7x's his income, along with the notoriety of HC for LSU. If he sucks, buyout is easily manageable, sub $1 mil. You can continue to do this until maybe the 2nd or 3rd one works. That's only if the 1st one doesn't work, which it could.. This is at most a 4 year process.


Ok, for the sake of this hypothetical, I'm just going to pretend that a series of coaches will accept coordinator wages for the stress of an SEC head coaching job. I'm just going to accept that as a pretend reality so I can ask this question; are you proposing that LSU should have 3 head coaches inside of 4 years?

quote:

That is significantly better than giving a head coach a 10 year, $100 mil contract who sucks, then you have to accept mediocrity for 10 seasons.


Buddy, I've got some bad news for you if you think changing a coach every year isn't going to crash this program.

quote:

That's how the NFL works. Good players make more money than coaches.



No, the NFL works because players have to abide by contracts.

quote:


I don't care if someone disagrees with me, because I know as well as 1+1 equals 2, that this is absolutely the best way to do this. Moneyball. There is no argument against it. Oh, he sucks after 1 year? $1.5 mil buyout. Next FCS nati coach comes here after him, and goes 10-2 in his first year? Bam, problem solved. And you just saved $100,000,000 that can go to NIL. Money Ball for College Football




You need to watch that movie on repeat until this paragraph looks as retarded as it is.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
161519 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:25 am to
A lot rambling here but overall point is correct.

ADs need to drop the "white whale hunt" dick measuring mentality and start treating coaching hires like the NFL does. We don't have to spend a fortune landing a proven, big-name head coach. NFL teams aren’t afraid to hire up and coming assistants and college programs should follow that playbook. It’s cheaper, and if the hire bombs, you hit the reset button

Crazy concept, make these guys come in and earn the huge contract. It’s yearly FA now with constant turnover now anyway, swinging and missing on a hire shouldn’t be as fear inducing as it once was.

Tell Jimmy sexton and Trace Armstrong to go frick themselves
Posted by tigerbank24
Member since May 2015
1297 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:39 am to
quote:

There is no argument against it. Oh, he sucks after 1 year? $1.5 mil buyout. Next FCS nati coach comes here after him, and goes 10-2 in his first year? Bam, problem solved. And you just saved $100,000,000 that can go to NIL. Money Ball for College Football


“This idea works because in my hypothetical world the second coach goes 10-2 after a 1 year experiment with another FCS coach”
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
41723 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:42 am to
quote:

My advice is to go get the Ferris St head coach who led them and Chambliss to 50+ striaght wins and back to back to back Nati's in D2


50 straight wins? A quick check shows he has never had 50 straight wins, he has had 1 undefeated season.

Besides, we hired a guy with a similar resume who also catapulted a mid-tier team into prominence and then rebuilt a fallen historic program into competing for national championships. That's guy everyone wants to fire now.

quote:

I don't care if someone disagrees with me, because I know as well as 1+1 equals 2, that this is absolutely the best way to do this. Moneyball. There is no argument against it. Oh, he sucks after 1 year? $1.5 mil buyout. Next FCS nati coach comes here after him, and goes 10-2 in his first year? Bam, problem solved. And you just saved $100,000,000 that can go to NIL. Money Ball for College Football



And you keep losing money and recruits. Smart

quote:

Never assume that because a process exists today, that it means it's the most efficient.


And never assume that any thought that pops in your head is a good idea.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
78634 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:44 am to
quote:

Florida did this with Billy Napier and we saw how that worked out


Smaller buyout.

The problem isn't the result you get. It's the size of the buyout. If Sunbelt Billy asked for the contract we gave BK he would have been laughed out of the room.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5991 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:51 am to
Sexton is playing college football like a fiddle. There is no penalty in these contracts for losing. The buyout should be based on performance. No playoff appearances in 4 years should not be rewarded with a $60m buyout. That's fricking criminal.
Posted by ELLSSUU
Member since Jan 2005
7945 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 6:59 am to
It is a Coaches Market created by the popularity of the sport. Just look at the current openings at mid-season. There are a finite few coaches that big name schools are interested in. That will result in record setting contracts. Either the school hiring or the school retaining is going to pay out-of-the-wazoo.
Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
5962 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:03 am to
I wouldn’t mind this approach. Our current concept of paying coaches is absolutely ridiculous and unsustainable. Some how salaries need to get to a point where coaches are paid primarily on merit and performance.
Posted by bignic26
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2013
871 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:10 am to
I like the idea of spending less on the HC and more on players but you usually get what you pay for. I guess you could build a team so talented that it could overcome a HC who wasn't that great. Worked with the Cowboys and Barry Switzer.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Savannah, GA
Member since Mar 2014
11604 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:16 am to
quote:

There is no way you can think the current method is the best way to do it.


I am not going to disagree with you but unfortunately at the time of the hire that is what everyone was doing. So rightly or wrongly Woodward made the contract that would get him his guy. As of right now it looks like a mistake.

Now here is the only thing you're not thinking about. Lets say this marriage between LSU and Brian Kelly ends (which hes not being fired anytime soon, he will be the Head Coach going into 2027) whether by him retiring, taking another position, or being fired. The next hire is more important than the hire that brought Brian Kelly here. If you miss on that next hire, you risk setting the program back to a situation like Florida where outside the Covid Season has been basically dead since 2012 and not been in the playoff/Championship since 2008. Or a program like USC where its been basically dead since '07 without competing for a Chaimpionship/Playoff since 05.

So even though I don't disagree that we should not hire a Coach on a 8-10 year Contract I wouldn't just settle for Coach at a D2 level and expect being able to have a lot of success. There are good Coaches that you might be able to get on a 4-5 year Contract. Eliah Drinkwitz would be one I would offer a $50 mil 5 year contract or 6 year $60 mil contract. And after 3 seasons you can see where the program is headed if its the right direction there are plenty of extensions to be had. If its the wrong one a buyout at that point is not nearly as daunting as what it is on 10 year contracts. Now again, I think Drinkwitz is a good Coach and love what he has been doing at Mizzou but I am not saying he should be the first offer but he should be on the list.

However, Kelly unless he decides to leave on his own accord is going to be the Head Coach for LSU heading into the 2027 season. Unless he ends this season 6-6 or worse and goes 6-6 or worse next season.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287646 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:26 am to
There’s some middle ground between a 10yr contract and hiring the Ferris St coach, huh?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 7:27 am to
quote:

Woodward pretty much did this by going cheap and Matt McMahon for LSU basketball and the program is a complete dumpster fire. You sure you want to do that with football?

Florida did it with Todd Golden. It was a raging success.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 3Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram