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I’ve hated on Josh Pate a lot this year. He’s nails it here.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:56 am
Kelly is at fault for Sloan. It’s not Sloan’s fault he sucks. But on the other hand, the good internal structure that has been created was not made by Kelly. He was part of that restructuring.
Kelly needs to take responsibility and not blame it on execution.
Kelly needs to take responsibility and not blame it on execution.
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:59 am to fastlane
Pate is wrong yet again here.
It is the fans fault we suck arse. Brian Kelly told me so.
It is the fans fault we suck arse. Brian Kelly told me so.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 9:59 am to fastlane
You are correct. Kelly gave too much credit to Sloan for the Success of JD5.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:00 am to fastlane
He fails to point out that Kelly shite canned Baker, only to be instructed to bring him back.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:01 am to fastlane
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I’ve hated on Josh Pate a lot this year
Because he told you things you didn't want to hear?
He was right all along about this team and everyone crucified him for telling the truth and not selling sunshine and rainbows for clicks from LSU fans.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:04 am to fastlane
Kelly is obviously doing a poor job at LSU and not living up to expectations, but Kelly seems to be the only coach to never get any credit for making good moves while getting slammed and catching all the of the blame for bad moves.
Kelly hires Blake Baker and Austin Thomas. Those are "organizational" moves and not "Brian Kelly" moves.
Kelly promotes Joe Sloan. That's a "Brian Kelly" move.
It's OK to give Kelly credit for doing something good or correcting a mistake while also slamming him for doing something bad.
Kelly hires Blake Baker and Austin Thomas. Those are "organizational" moves and not "Brian Kelly" moves.
Kelly promotes Joe Sloan. That's a "Brian Kelly" move.
It's OK to give Kelly credit for doing something good or correcting a mistake while also slamming him for doing something bad.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:07 am to fastlane
What i really had confidence in with Kelly was he would have a great staff around him. He had that business man mentality for coaching. Now more like a used car salesman
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:11 am to Imber
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He fails to point out that Kelly shite canned Baker.
Fine by me in a total rebuild. The whole football team and staff needed to be overhauled after Les and O.
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only to be instructed to bring him back
Do people really believe Brian Kelly has never done anything good in his career as a head coach?
Every good decision at Notre Dame was also claimed to be because the AD forced him to do it.
It's OK to give him credit when he does something good, no matter how unlikeable he is.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:15 am to Tarpon08
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Because he told you things you didn't want to hear?
Yes. I own up to it.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:16 am to Imber
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He fails to point out that Kelly shite canned Baker, only to be instructed to bring him back.
He alluded to this.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 10:16 am to Imber
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He fails to point out that Kelly shite canned Baker, only to be instructed to bring him back.
he did in this video, but he has previously pointed out that Kelly cleared house only to bring many of them back.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:04 am to fastlane
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Because he told you things you didn't want to hear?
Yes. I own up to it.
Reality sucks sometimes!
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:16 pm to John Casey
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but Kelly seems to be the only coach to never get any credit for making good moves while getting slammed and catching all the of the blame for bad moves.
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Kelly hires Blake Baker and Austin Thomas
WTF are you babbling about??? Yeah he hired them back but only after being “nudged” to.
Belly is 100% reactionary instead of proactive. It’s why he gets so close but never finishes strong.
Anyone with two eyes cops see the issues with offense this year and the same with defense years ago. It took his arse two years to make any adjustments.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:18 pm to John Casey
We’re not here to talk about the good things he’s done. Because he’s NOT WINNING we’re talking about the reasons which are all negative. It doesn’t matter if he’s saved a million puppies from a fire, he’s losing games because of HIS ACTIONS. Good lord you sound like you’re his mother.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:21 pm to Sweep Da Leg
Even after we tried our recipes, we don't yell loud enough at home games. That's why we're in the shape we're in.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:24 pm to John Casey
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It's OK to give Kelly credit for doing something good or correcting a mistake while also slamming him for doing something bad.
What in the world is this kind of thinking...? The bar was set so low he walked into a limpdick program and just about any actual HC in college ball could improve on what we were slipping into. The reality is its never been more clear we are FIRMLY a mediocre football team under Kelly. Thats not what the school or the fanbase signed up for when they hired him for that ridiculous contract. Say what you will about Miles but he got us a NC AND the players carried the man off the field. Could you ever in your wildest dreams see the players doing that with Kelly? I would want to wash my hands even after shaking hands with the dude. much less hoisting his fat saddlebags up on my shoulders
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:39 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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It took his arse two years to make any adjustments.
No, it didn't. He fired House immediately after the first bad season. House was a Broyles award semifinalist in his first season and this board would have melted down if Kelly let House go after that first year.
I don't really have an issue at all with Kelly clearing house when he first got here, either. The program needed a total reset after Orgeron. After that, he basically used next 2 years to evaluate who was worthwhile bringing back. I guess I can see how some have issue with this, though.
There's enough to criticize Kelly for his decision to promote Sloan, alone. There's no need to create made up reasons.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:40 pm to fastlane
It's fairly easy to surmise what happened in 2023. But to do so, you have to look at it through the 2023 lens...not today's lens with the benefit of hindsight.
LSU had the No. 1 ranked offense with the Heisman trophy winner at QB. Denbrock, as the OC of that offense likely tried to use that performance as a means to leverage a raise. He would have been foolish not to. You can't have a season better than the best offense in the nation.
Sloan was the QB coach of Heisman winner. It's entirely likely Sloan tried to use that success as means to leverage a raise and/or promotion at another school as an OC. Additionally, Hankton probably tried to do the same thing given the success of Nabers and Thomas. NONE of that is unique to LSU. When coaches have a good year they try to leverage the success for a higher pay and/or a promotion. Additionally, Sloan was the purported point-man in the recruitment of Underwood...who was certainly looked at by the coaches to be the next Daniels
I'm sure BK wanted to keep all three in the exact same positions. But that's where market factors come in. In order to keep Sloan, BK probably wanted to name him co-OC...even if Denbrock was still the playcaller. Clearly, Denbrok didn't like that, and decided to leave for ND. BK didn't want to lose Sloan because of the ties to Underwood. He didn't want to lose Hankton because of LSU's WR success. So the compromise was to name them co-OCs when Denbrock left. I'm sure the plan was to continue running the same offensive approach as Denbrock.
The next year LSU had a good (not great) offense under Sloan. But it was one that had some very clear weaknesses that needed to be addressed. Most notably the running game and RZ offense. While it could have been better, based upon his 2024 performance, there was no reason to fire Sloan. Even the loss of Underwood wasn't a firerable offense. Michigan made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Where LSU and Kelly went wrong was not having the forethought and self-reflection to acknowledge that while the 2024 offense wasn't "bad", there were areas that needed to be changed...not just "coached better". They didn't make those changes ahead of this season and opponents, now with an entire season of film on Sloan and Nussmier, now knew the weaknesses and how to beat it.
LSU had the No. 1 ranked offense with the Heisman trophy winner at QB. Denbrock, as the OC of that offense likely tried to use that performance as a means to leverage a raise. He would have been foolish not to. You can't have a season better than the best offense in the nation.
Sloan was the QB coach of Heisman winner. It's entirely likely Sloan tried to use that success as means to leverage a raise and/or promotion at another school as an OC. Additionally, Hankton probably tried to do the same thing given the success of Nabers and Thomas. NONE of that is unique to LSU. When coaches have a good year they try to leverage the success for a higher pay and/or a promotion. Additionally, Sloan was the purported point-man in the recruitment of Underwood...who was certainly looked at by the coaches to be the next Daniels
I'm sure BK wanted to keep all three in the exact same positions. But that's where market factors come in. In order to keep Sloan, BK probably wanted to name him co-OC...even if Denbrock was still the playcaller. Clearly, Denbrok didn't like that, and decided to leave for ND. BK didn't want to lose Sloan because of the ties to Underwood. He didn't want to lose Hankton because of LSU's WR success. So the compromise was to name them co-OCs when Denbrock left. I'm sure the plan was to continue running the same offensive approach as Denbrock.
The next year LSU had a good (not great) offense under Sloan. But it was one that had some very clear weaknesses that needed to be addressed. Most notably the running game and RZ offense. While it could have been better, based upon his 2024 performance, there was no reason to fire Sloan. Even the loss of Underwood wasn't a firerable offense. Michigan made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Where LSU and Kelly went wrong was not having the forethought and self-reflection to acknowledge that while the 2024 offense wasn't "bad", there were areas that needed to be changed...not just "coached better". They didn't make those changes ahead of this season and opponents, now with an entire season of film on Sloan and Nussmier, now knew the weaknesses and how to beat it.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:49 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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We’re not here to talk about the good things he’s done. Because he’s NOT WINNING we’re talking about the reasons which are all negative. It doesn’t matter if he’s saved a million puppies from a fire, he’s losing games because of HIS ACTIONS. Good lord you sound like you’re his mother.
I'm not saying to bring up any of the good at all.
The argument just loses standing with me when you say all of the good is because of someone else and all of the bad is because of Kelly.
It's not that difficult to just say that Kelly made a good decision in bringing on Baker but that his decision to promote Sloan was short-sighted and the bad from that decision has far outweighed the good from the hire of Baker, and has gotten Kelly on the hot seat.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:55 pm to John Casey
We have never been able to run the ball since Kelly got here or use RBs consistently in the red zone to score. Even our high drift pick OL from the last few years were not good run blockers. Under Kelly we are just not good at dominating the LOS on either side of the ball.
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