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America is ‘going broke slowly’ says J.P. Morgan, as national debt balloons

Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:30 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:30 am
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America is going broke, J.P. Morgan Asset Management’s chief global strategist, David Kelly, wrote in a note this week, but no one is panicking yet because the government is going broke slowly.

Kelly outlined that while the economy is facing a barrage of issues (geopolitics, trade wars, changing immigration enforcement, and government shutdowns to name a few) one of the key longer-term issues is how the U.S. government is going to pay its bills.

In a bid to wrangle down U.S. federal debt—and its contributions to the wider national debt—President Trump initially asked Tesla CEO Elon Musk to form the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) with the goal of axing $2 trillion from the federal budget.

But the pair then famously fell out over the White House’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act, which the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated will add another $3.4 trillion to the national debt over the next decade. The White House countered its tariff regime will offset the spending and any decrease in revenues owing to tax cuts. The CBO estimates that tariffs should reduce total deficits by $4 trillion by 2035.

America’s national debt is spiraling higher by the second. At the time of writing it sits at over $37.8 trillion, and there are $1.2 trillion in interest payments to service the borrowing. JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon and Fed chairman Jerome Powell have both expressed concerns about it.

Kelly’s point is that while investors are mindful of the basic math, the problem is going to unfold over a long period of time.


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The economist wrote that in the near term casual speculators may have some reason for optimism. For example, he pointed to tariff revenues raking in significant sums ($31 billion in August, according to the White House) and recent estimates from the CBO and the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget that deficits for fiscal year 2025 will total 6% of GDP, down from 6.3% last year.

This reduction in borrowing as a percentage of economic growth is a key factor watched by America’s lenders. A nation’s debt-to-GDP ratio is a clear barometer of whether it will be able to repay its debts or pay higher interest rates to sell its borrowing.


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On tariffs, for example, there are still questions about the legalities of Trump’s action. If they are overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court, “this would, at a minimum, force the administration to go back to the drawing board to impose replacement tariffs under some other authority or by sending a bill through Congress. Moreover, it could force substantial refunds of tariffs already paid in recent months,” Kelly added.

Moreover, these estimates are reliant on “no recession and no need for other major spending on domestic or international priorities.


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The takeaway for investors is diversifying their portfolios in case America’s debt begins to spiral more quickly than the current environment, Kelly said: “There is a danger that political choices lead to a faster deterioration in the federal finances, leading to a backup in long-term interest rates and a lower dollar. Based on current allocations and valuations alone, many investors should likely consider diversifying their portfolios by adding alternative assets and international stocks. The risk that we move from going broke slowly to going broke quickly adds an important reason to make this move today.”


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Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
1456 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:32 am to
So get the illegal immigrants out & cut the fed employment by half. Eliminate the USPS all together.

USPS has 533,000 career employees as of 2024. USPS also has 106,000 non-career employees (i.e. seasonal/temporary) in 2024.

The number of civilian federal employees outside USPS is about 2.35 million (executive branch civilian roles, excluding USPS).
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 11:40 am
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
25178 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:33 am to
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The economist wrote that in the near term casual speculators may have some reason for optimism. For example, he pointed to tariff revenues raking in significant sums ($31 billion in August, according to the White House)

Round of applause for us hard working Americans footing the bill for this.
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tariffs should reduce total deficits by $4 trillion by 2035.


Posted by TigerMeister
North shore
Member since Nov 2009
2443 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:36 am to
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Eliminate the USPS all together

Why?
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23694 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:39 am to
Was just talking with my wife about this. We are only in debt on our house but feels like we are being totally squeezed everywhere. We make as much as we’ve ever made and feels like we are generally pretty fiscally conservative ESPECIALLY compared to the average American yet still see our non investment accounts slowly lowering.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 8:40 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:39 am to
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Why?


Because it’s extremely easy to do immediately with no repercussions and will save us trillions. TRILLIONS, I tell ya!
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:42 am to
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We are only in debt on our house but feels like we are being totally squeezed everywhere. We make as much as we’ve ever made and feels like we are generally pretty fiscally conservative ESPECIALLY compared to the average American yet still see our non investment accounts slowly lowering.


Yall aren’t alone. It really is worrisome to see. Something has to change, but hell if I’ve got a clue what that something even is.
Posted by Chinese Bandit Boy
Member since Jun 2021
861 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:44 am to
Think of a medium size box from Amazon that can be delivered free in two days. Same logistics and costs but fill box with letters going to your home town. Get rid of USPS and let UPS/FEDEX pick up what USPS is doing and let them do it as a private for profit company.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57604 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:44 am to
Those of us who have been paying attention have called this out since Obama's run of $1T+ deficits. For over two decades now we've essentially been borrowing money just to service the debt we've already created while creating more and more debt each year.

Keeping debt servicing, total spending would need to be cut by ~1/3 just to balance the budget (FY2024 numbers). That's a 1/3 cut to everything from the pay for members of Congress to Social Security to Medicare to VA benefits to copier toner for a USDA office in the middle of WhereThefrickIsThis, Wyoming. Everything.

The problem is that anyone voting for such a massive cut will never win another elected office for the rest of their lives and may even have attempts made on their lives. No one in office today is willing to make that sort of sacrifice.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56654 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:44 am to
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Kelly outlined that while the economy is facing a barrage of issues (geopolitics, trade wars, changing immigration enforcement, and government shutdowns to name a few) one of the key longer-term issues is how the U.S. government is going to pay its bills.


I love how they wait until Trump is in office to write this article. Oh, now you're fricking worried about how we pay our bills? What about when you were silent about 30 million illegals coming into the country, the "build back better" monstrosity, and all of the billions in government waste?

Posted by Yaboylsu63
Member since Mar 2014
2946 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:47 am to
1) kick off any illegals receiving benefits and money.
2) deport another 5-10MM and watch home and grocery demand go down
3) shrink fed gov by 40% minimum, Dept of Ed can completely go away
4) pass a law that that says a balanced budget must be passed and if not, all wages and investments of congressional representatives will be garnished/seized with the only exception being in times of declared war by Congress.
5) fix all entitlements and welfare. Put restrictions on them again and enforce them.

All the gov money drying up will 1000% affect the economy, but we will definitely be better off in the long run.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27083 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:47 am to
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I love how they wait until Trump is in office to write this article.


I’ve seen articles like this written since before Trump got to the White House. Stuff like this was written about during Bush and Obama.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9683 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:52 am to
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but hell if I’ve got a clue what that something even is.


Everything needs to be cut to some extent and everyone needs to feel some pain. We have to grow the economy while making the cuts too to ensure people have jobs. That isn’t going all that well right now. Tariffs and DOGE cannot possibly close the spending gap that we have with revenue.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1626 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:55 am to
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The CBO estimates that tariffs should reduce total deficits by $4 trillion by 2035.



It won't.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3196 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:58 am to
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4) pass a law that that says a balanced budget must be passed and if not, all wages and investments of congressional representatives will be garnished/seized with the only exception being in times of declared war by Congress.


We’d be at war with any and everybody if this exception were made.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
27879 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:04 am to
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We are only in debt on our house but feels like we are being totally squeezed everywhere.


And yet, the billionaire class is making money so fast they cant count it.

What money the middle and lower middle class had is being sucked up a couple of levels.

This is the front end, its going to get much much worse for the middle and lower class.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
25178 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:05 am to
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And yet, the billionaire class is making money so fast they cant count it.

Like the guy that made $192 million in 2 hours Friday shorting bitcoin 30 minutes before the new tariff announcement.
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
1758 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:05 am to
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The CBO estimates that tariffs should reduce total deficits by $4 trillion by 2035.


They won't, but thanks anyway for the extreme tax hike on the American populace.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
89966 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:05 am to
Well no shite.
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
4995 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:17 am to
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The problem is that anyone voting for such a massive cut will never win another elected office for the rest of their lives and may even have attempts made on their lives. No one in office today is willing to make that sort of sacrifice.


And even if by some miracle they (read: fiscally responsible Republicans) actually do put a dent in the problem, the other side (read: liberal Democrats) are just going to open up the debt spigots full blast as soon as they regain power, so it's pointless anyway.

It's the same with illegal immigration. Celebrate Trumps deportations and enticed self-removals all you want but all of these illegals will be flooding right back across a wide open border the day a new Democrat President is inaugurated.

You can't a game where your team is always playing defense and the other team is always playing offense. Even if you pick up a few points off of safeties, the other side will just keep scoring.
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