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Sunshine Pumper POV: Being as charitable as possible to BK about the Nuss injury situation
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:34 pm
Not to be a sunshine pumper but would the below be possible:
Nuss injures his abdomen in fall camp. It is not a bad enough injury per se that one should bench your at the time Heisman front-runner QB for a big game at Clemson. Which IMO is a fair gamble - you are not going to bench your Heisman QB that has spent a month preparing for Clemson just because he may be in some pain. He performs okay against Clemson, you get the win. BK probably tells himself "okay this is manageable, we beat a good Clemson team (what we thought at the time) and he'll only get healthier".
He doesn't play very well vs. La Tech and UF, but you get the wins nonetheless - no reason to really sound the alarm yet. He's feeling the pressure a bit though, yells at a reporter. The offense is struggling but you see SELA as a chance to get Nuss more reps with his receivers against a weak opponent. He does just that and looks good throwing the ball. He then tells the media after the game "Nuss had an injury at camp but he's on the back side of it now" which at the time no one really argued with because he was pretty darn flawless against SELA.
You then start ramping him up in the week leading up to Ole Miss. Maybe he doesn't look great in practice, maybe he does, but it's too late to play a back-up. You roll the dice. At Ole Miss he looks like absolute dog shite and is clearly still injured. You then say "wow he wasn't really out of the woods at all. Let's give him the bye week to rest up and go from there" He then tells the media as much, paraphrasing: "He's been slower to heal than we thought, but we think he's on the back side of this and should be much healthier after the bye week". I could read this as Kelly genuinely giving Nuss one last shot to get healthy over the bye week (which he referenced before the SELA game as the target for full health). I don't think he's ready to pull the plug yet on his 5th year senior captain-QB, but if he shows up again like at Ole Miss against SC, I think he may.
This is my most charitable view of the situation, not saying I agree with it - I think Kelly is probably just lying about a lot of this.
Nuss injures his abdomen in fall camp. It is not a bad enough injury per se that one should bench your at the time Heisman front-runner QB for a big game at Clemson. Which IMO is a fair gamble - you are not going to bench your Heisman QB that has spent a month preparing for Clemson just because he may be in some pain. He performs okay against Clemson, you get the win. BK probably tells himself "okay this is manageable, we beat a good Clemson team (what we thought at the time) and he'll only get healthier".
He doesn't play very well vs. La Tech and UF, but you get the wins nonetheless - no reason to really sound the alarm yet. He's feeling the pressure a bit though, yells at a reporter. The offense is struggling but you see SELA as a chance to get Nuss more reps with his receivers against a weak opponent. He does just that and looks good throwing the ball. He then tells the media after the game "Nuss had an injury at camp but he's on the back side of it now" which at the time no one really argued with because he was pretty darn flawless against SELA.
You then start ramping him up in the week leading up to Ole Miss. Maybe he doesn't look great in practice, maybe he does, but it's too late to play a back-up. You roll the dice. At Ole Miss he looks like absolute dog shite and is clearly still injured. You then say "wow he wasn't really out of the woods at all. Let's give him the bye week to rest up and go from there" He then tells the media as much, paraphrasing: "He's been slower to heal than we thought, but we think he's on the back side of this and should be much healthier after the bye week". I could read this as Kelly genuinely giving Nuss one last shot to get healthy over the bye week (which he referenced before the SELA game as the target for full health). I don't think he's ready to pull the plug yet on his 5th year senior captain-QB, but if he shows up again like at Ole Miss against SC, I think he may.
This is my most charitable view of the situation, not saying I agree with it - I think Kelly is probably just lying about a lot of this.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:38 pm to KiaSportage22
Good summary of my thoughts on the matter
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:39 pm to KiaSportage22
If he was as injured as he says he is, he should've sat him for SELU. I don't care if he needed to get reps in or how the offense was looking. If this is truly something a week can take care of, there is zero upside into allowing him to play that week.
Sit him, rest him and get him ready to go for Ole Miss so he can be at his best. That game matters infinitely more than some meaningless rent-a-win game.
At the same time, I also don't think a healthy Nuss would've made that much of a difference last weekend, especially with how poorly the coaches and offensive staff got this team ready to play with their dog shite game plan.
Sit him, rest him and get him ready to go for Ole Miss so he can be at his best. That game matters infinitely more than some meaningless rent-a-win game.
At the same time, I also don't think a healthy Nuss would've made that much of a difference last weekend, especially with how poorly the coaches and offensive staff got this team ready to play with their dog shite game plan.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:41 pm to KiaSportage22
A very reasonable and logical take!
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:41 pm to KiaSportage22
Reasonable and plausible take. Therefore you’ll be raked over the coals and downvoted into oblivion.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:41 pm to KiaSportage22
That is 100 percent fanboy CRAP!
You want your starter to be as close to 100 percent as possible going into SEC play.
If your QB is injured then there is a good chance he can be injured worse with a big hit (really good chance with this O-line). If that happens, then you have a backup QB who has ZERO PT under this new system.
The prudent play would have been to rest him and let him heal.
The thing about injuries in a contact sport is that they almost never heal, and it takes a lot longer to heal because of all the abuse.
Kelly has royally screwed this up.
What a waste of $10 million.
You want your starter to be as close to 100 percent as possible going into SEC play.
If your QB is injured then there is a good chance he can be injured worse with a big hit (really good chance with this O-line). If that happens, then you have a backup QB who has ZERO PT under this new system.
The prudent play would have been to rest him and let him heal.
The thing about injuries in a contact sport is that they almost never heal, and it takes a lot longer to heal because of all the abuse.
Kelly has royally screwed this up.
What a waste of $10 million.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:42 pm to Sheriff Brackett
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he was as injured as he says he is, he should've sat him for SELU. I don't care if he needed to get reps in or how the offense was looking. If this is truly something a week can take care of, there is zero upside into allowing him to play that week. Sit him, rest him and get him ready to go for Ole Miss so he can be at his best. That game matters infinitely more than some meaningless rent-a-win game. At the same time, I also don't think a healthy Nuss would've made that much of a difference last weekend, especially with how poorly the coaches and offensive staff got this team ready to play with their dog shite game plan.
Well said.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:45 pm to mtntiger
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That is 100 percent fanboy CRAP!
Not sure how many times I had to qualify this post that I was not a fanboy and just genuinely trying to see the other side. I actually agree that Kelly probably lied about a lot of this and he's backed himself into a corner (and that he should have probably benched him in the second half of the OM game.)
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:47 pm to KiaSportage22
Really good take. Only adjustment id say is he played great at a top 10 hostile environment against a top 5 opponent. Remember he had a td called back. And his OC called a screen that Hilton fumbled with little time left in the 2nd qtr. The offense did well and deserved those 10 pts. And sharp with the fumble on an easy 1st down gain.
Really well said above. Im pissed he didnt sit him for la tech and sela, but I get it, and hindsight is always easier after bad results and his lingering injury. I think we beat ole miss if hes healthy and can throw just 3 or those deep balls normally to Hilton. Even with how bad we played, called the game, and defensive goofs penalty wise letting their 2nd td drive continue.
Really well said above. Im pissed he didnt sit him for la tech and sela, but I get it, and hindsight is always easier after bad results and his lingering injury. I think we beat ole miss if hes healthy and can throw just 3 or those deep balls normally to Hilton. Even with how bad we played, called the game, and defensive goofs penalty wise letting their 2nd td drive continue.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:49 pm to KiaSportage22
quote:You're out of your mind if you thought this post wasn't going to attract retards. You made a strong argument logically explaining the whole situation from BK's POV. Don't worry about the people with extremely low reading comprehension.
Not sure how many times I had to qualify this post that I was not a fanboy and just genuinely trying to see the other side.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:50 pm to KiaSportage22
The issue @ Ole Miss was that the offensive staff didn't seem to understand that OM's defense was almost in a pass defense only mode. According to BK, they dropped 8 back 85-90% of the time in the first half and we ran the ball 9 times. 2 of those runs were KJ and JJ and the other runs were non-RBs.
There is a massive issue if the staff can't see what the defense is doing when its that obvious. Were they RPOs and Nuss chose wrong or were they called passes? we don't know. But If i was the OC in that moment, I would have said, lets run it a right at them if they are gonna do this. Its Sloan, those analyst who are supposed to help him in game and BK for nobody seeing this in the game.
There is a massive issue if the staff can't see what the defense is doing when its that obvious. Were they RPOs and Nuss chose wrong or were they called passes? we don't know. But If i was the OC in that moment, I would have said, lets run it a right at them if they are gonna do this. Its Sloan, those analyst who are supposed to help him in game and BK for nobody seeing this in the game.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:01 pm to KiaSportage22
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He then tells the media after the game "Nuss had an injury at camp but he's on the back side of it now" which at the time no one really argued with because he was pretty darn flawless against SELA.
I think Kelly told the media this after the Florida game, not the SELA game.
Here is what Brian Kelly said the week before the SELA game.
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“He’s been slowed a little bit with a torso injury and he’s fighting through it and getting better,” Kelly said. “He’s not going to be able to shut it down until the bye week. I’m not saying that has been any of his troubles. He’s a symptom that we’re taking some plays away from him.”
“We’ve limited him throughout the week. It’s an upper body injury that you want to be careful how may reps he’s getting throwing the football. He’s overcoming that, but we had to be careful with him in the first few weeks. He should be in a great place after the bye week. It happened in camp. It’s a product of a lot of throws. This is more of management throughout the week. I think he’s on the other side of it, but we had to be careful.”
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:02 pm to bayou85
Thats the scary part. Kelly said nuss did great at pre snap run checks... which tells me he did what he was told to do by the oc / gameplan for the week.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:15 pm to KiaSportage22
I agree with this line of thinking. BK isnt an idiot. He may be dishonest with the media from time to time but what coach isnt..
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:18 pm to KiaSportage22
This is honestly super dumb. If he's not 100% by the start of practice you go with option #2. There's absolutely no reason to risk another loss with horrible play and give your team/defense no help at all. That's just asinine coaching right there.
You don't wait until the SC game to see. You preemptively prepare and it shouldn't be very difficult to immediately see in practice if Van Buren should be getting more reps or not to be the guy at least temporarily. I honestly think BK is incompetent if he can't look in practice to immediately know something is wrong with Nuss. It's either this or his ego that prevents it just like Les Miles.
And this is where BK absolutely sucks with his tenure here. He waits until the wheels look like they're coming off before he decides to systematically change something. He has absolutely no perception to preemptively prepare his teams which is why when he loses bad it's usually in very bad fashion and they never seem to be able to put together a complete team.
You don't wait until the SC game to see. You preemptively prepare and it shouldn't be very difficult to immediately see in practice if Van Buren should be getting more reps or not to be the guy at least temporarily. I honestly think BK is incompetent if he can't look in practice to immediately know something is wrong with Nuss. It's either this or his ego that prevents it just like Les Miles.
And this is where BK absolutely sucks with his tenure here. He waits until the wheels look like they're coming off before he decides to systematically change something. He has absolutely no perception to preemptively prepare his teams which is why when he loses bad it's usually in very bad fashion and they never seem to be able to put together a complete team.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:22 pm to KiaSportage22
I'm not so easily ready to jump ship like so many here. We have 1 loss and a lot of games left to play. I'm hopeful CBK can right the ship. Our defense still looks good. Outside of that mental mistake by Weeks, then LSU may have won the game...plus with the called back interception. I don't think anybody expected us to hold Ole Miss' offense to less than 20 points, and frankly, that was easily within grasp.
Our D can win us games and hopefully Nuss will heal and get back to his normal self.
Our D can win us games and hopefully Nuss will heal and get back to his normal self.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:23 pm to KiaSportage22
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but you get the wins nonetheless - no reason to really sound the alarm yet.
THAT is the problem.
There was absolutely reason to sound the alarm after the Florida game. It was evident to everyone except for the sunshine pumper fans who would rather live in blissful delusion than recognize the clear warning signs. The question asked to BK after that game was one every reasonable fan was thinking. "You seem to have a great defense. Your offense looks terrible. How are you going to fix it so we don't have a repeat of 2023?"
Good coaches don't just celebrate the wins and ignore the weaknesses. Do you want to know what made Saban great? He was NEVER satisfied. How many times would you see him losing his mind despite Alabama winning...a lot? He knew that to win championships you have to never be satisfied with your level of play. Always striving for better.
The signs were there vs. Florida. Yet, evidently, the staff decided it wasn't a big enough deal to change anything ahead of the OM game. So here we are...which shouldn't be a surprise.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:24 pm to SUB
Defense could've easily given 40 up in that game as well. You realize they could've scored at the end and also they stripped a ball that should've been a TD but rolled into the end zone? Defense wasn't the main problem but Baker got out schemed hard in that game. Not sure why that's hard to see. I'm not convinced this defense is as elite as we thought. Granted, Ole Miss on offense is VERY good but I don't think this defense is elite. They're good but not elite...yet. 2011 was elite and could stonewall any offense no matter what. I think this defense is good enough to win in the playoffs which is what matters but "elite" isn't a word I'd use for them right now. They let Ole Miss move the chains at will on third down and had no answer for the running QB. You can complain about they were on the field too long and too many plays, but they also aided that approach by scheme and weren't getting stops enough on third down. They had a chance to win the game and blew it too.
LSU as a whole, is fortunate Ole Miss didn't blow them out for how well they dominated the game.
LSU as a whole, is fortunate Ole Miss didn't blow them out for how well they dominated the game.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:25 pm to KiaSportage22
It’s a tough situation. The way that first half was going if Nuss doesn’t throw the INT it’s a totally different ballgame and LSU likely wins.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:28 pm to BrookhavenBengal
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Reasonable and plausible take. Therefore you’ll be raked over the coals and downvoted into oblivion.
but agreed!
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