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Woodward doesn’t get enough blame for the current state of the football program
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:15 pm
Say what you want about him hiring Jay Johnson and Kim Mulkey, which are great hires, but his track record with football is atrocious.
He has essentially made the exact same mistake twice now. First with Jimbo, now with Brian Kelly. Two of the worst coaching contracts I’ve ever seen with ridiculous buyouts. Idiot.
Will there ever be accountability for these ADs writing blank checks? This isn’t just exclusively about LSU. Coaching contracts are so ridiculous nowadays. Surely something’s gotta give soon, especially with NIL and revenue share.
Anyways, rant over. I’d love to hear some defenses of Woodward that don’t include mentioning the hires of other sport coaches.
He has essentially made the exact same mistake twice now. First with Jimbo, now with Brian Kelly. Two of the worst coaching contracts I’ve ever seen with ridiculous buyouts. Idiot.
Will there ever be accountability for these ADs writing blank checks? This isn’t just exclusively about LSU. Coaching contracts are so ridiculous nowadays. Surely something’s gotta give soon, especially with NIL and revenue share.
Anyways, rant over. I’d love to hear some defenses of Woodward that don’t include mentioning the hires of other sport coaches.
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:17 pm to tigerfan24736
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Say what you want about him hiring Jay Johnson and Kim Mulkey, which are great hires, but his track record with football is atrocious.
He has essentially made the exact same mistake twice now. First with Jimbo, now with Brian Kelly. Two of the worst coaching contracts I’ve ever seen with ridiculous buyouts. Idiot.
Will there ever be accountability for these ADs writing blank checks? This isn’t just exclusively about LSU. Coaching contracts are so ridiculous nowadays. Surely something’s gotta give soon, especially with NIL and revenue share.
Anyways, rant over. I’d love to hear some defenses of Woodward that don’t include mentioning the hires of other sport coaches.
Kelly's contract isn't even top ten anymore. You want Woodward to put his flag in the ground on short, team friendly contracts for coaches but I bet you'll also be the first in line to throw a tantrum when LSU doesn't attract top candidates. I can already hear it, "THIS IS LSU, WE DON'T HIRE UP AND COMERS!" You can hate the market but if you want a top candidate, you have to pay the toll and if you have a good coach, he'll want a new deal with a big buyout. Don't give it to him? Okay, cool. Enjoy watching your coaches get poached.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:19 pm to JiminyCricket
If O moderately stabilized the program after the clusterf*cks of 2020 and 2021 and had more than 30 scholly players then maybe Woodward would feel more confident going after a young up and comer
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:21 pm to cajuntiger1010
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If O moderately stabilized the program after the clusterf*cks of 2020 and 2021 and had more than 30 scholly players then maybe Woodward would feel more confident going after a young up and comer
Possibly so. It's just wild to me how irrational fans are. If LSU fired Brian Kelly tomorrow, which top coach are you going to get to come here and replace him if your offer features a low buyout and no long-term security? Good luck with that coaching search.
Think about it in your own life. If LSU wants a guy, I promise others school probably do as well. Would you tell your wife "hey honey, I've got 3 job offers. 2 of them offer a ton of money and a big severance package if things don't work out and the other offers a small severance and less money than the others."?
Which job you taking?
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:22 pm to tigerfan24736
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First with Jimbo, now with Brian Kelly.
You do realize there is a lot more to hiring college coaches than the AD picking someone right? Jimbo was a big name at the time and boosters wanted him. So they got em. Didn't pan out. I don't think BK was on any ones radar at the time, but he is a proven coach. No natty, but he won. And to make him leave a program that is usually winning and has a ton of history, you're gong to have to make a big move. So in 3 or so years if he doesn't win or even get to the championship, guess what they'll have to do? Back up the money truck and roll out a fat contract to another coach.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:24 pm to JiminyCricket
no swinging dick like kelly deserved a 10 year deal. maybe CUM or CNS but anything over 5 is risky as hell for reasons we are seeing now.
5 year deal max and we would only be looking at a 10 mill buyout instead of this millstone around our neck.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:26 pm to cajuntiger1010
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If O moderately stabilized the program after the clusterf*cks of 2020 and 2021 and had more than 30 scholly players then maybe Woodward would feel more confident going after a young up and comer
This was during the COVID debacle. Coach O didn't directly support Trump but he did not overtly support Saint George Floyd at the time like Nick Saban. After losing all the talent and coaches after the 2019 NC this seemed to put a big damper on restocking the team appropriately.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:26 pm to Fat Bastard
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no swinging dick like kelly deserved a 10 year deal. maybe CUM or CNS but anything over 5 is risky as hell for reasons we are seeing now.
5 year deal max and we would only be looking at a 10 mill buyout instead of this millstone around our neck.
Half the top 10 highest paid coaches have ten year deals and most of them haven't won as much as Kelly.
BTW, enjoy your theoretical 5 year deal coach while you have him because somebody will come along and offer the deal you won't.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:26 pm to Fat Bastard
Exactly. Contracts should not be longer than 5 years. If the program is trending upward, you can consider renegotiating or extending it.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:26 pm to JiminyCricket
CUM shoulda been hired from the get go NOT CBK.
you sound like ole miles pumpers
wE caNnoT fire les who ya GoNnA gEt? hurr durr
you sound like ole miles pumpers
wE caNnoT fire les who ya GoNnA gEt? hurr durr
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:27 pm to fightntiger32
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If the program is trending upward, you can consider renegotiating or extending it.
bingo
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:28 pm to Fat Bastard
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no swinging dick like kelly deserved a 10 year deal. maybe CUM or CNS but anything over 5 is risky as hell for reasons we are seeing now.
5 year deal max and we would only be looking at a 10 mill buyout instead of this millstone around our neck.
You are right. The deal should have been 5 for 55 million. Not 10 for 100 million.
With that said, if BK wins a NC in the next 2-3 years Woody will be vindicated.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:28 pm to Fat Bastard
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you sound like ole miles pumpers
wE caNnoT fire les who ya GoNnA gEt? hurr durr
And guess what you weren't gonna get urban or anyone like him for 5 years/42 million.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:29 pm to Fat Bastard
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bingo
You mean like when we extended Orgeron after he won a title? Great. You extend O and give him a ten year deal after the greatest season ever in 2019. How would that new deal have looked by year 3?
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:35 pm to GumboPot
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You are right. The deal should have been 5 for 55 million. Not 10 for 100 million.
And we would've gotten a mid major coach and people would've melted down like never seen before. It's the market dude.
Kirby, Cristobal, Dabo, Lincoln, Kelly, Franklin, DeBoer, Sark all have ten year deals. How you going to get a top level coach without paying the toll if everyone else will?
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:39 pm to tigerfan24736
He also flatlined our men’s basketball program
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:43 pm to JiminyCricket
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you'll also be the first in line to throw a tantrum when LSU doesn't attract top candidates. I can already hear it, "THIS IS LSU, WE DON'T HIRE UP AND COMERS!"
At this point I think hiring unknowns is the way forward. Frees up budget all around.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:44 pm to tigerfan24736
How else was he going to get BK to leave Notre Dame?
24 hour rule, go brush your teeth.
24 hour rule, go brush your teeth.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:46 pm to tigerfan24736
The only issue I had with Woodward is that I never would've given O that big contract extension after the NC.
Nobody was going to poach him (certainly not the NFL), and he was already at his "dream job" at LSU.
I would've said let's wait and see how he handles success and being at the top of the mountain before we give him this nice, fat contract.
Nobody was going to poach him (certainly not the NFL), and he was already at his "dream job" at LSU.
I would've said let's wait and see how he handles success and being at the top of the mountain before we give him this nice, fat contract.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:46 pm to tigerfan24736
If you consider Kelly a failure then Woodward has been a failure for LSU.
He killed the basketball program and now football seems to be on the brink of falling apart.
If that does happen Woodward would have directly led to fall of the two biggest money makers on campus.
He killed the basketball program and now football seems to be on the brink of falling apart.
If that does happen Woodward would have directly led to fall of the two biggest money makers on campus.
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